diesel "upgrades"

   / diesel "upgrades" #31  
does it let you register for more than the door sticker says?

and I assume not all states do this.. so blanket statements don't apply..

soundguy

All I have to do to be "safe" then is register my vehicle for a higher gvw. All it takes is a few minutes, one form, and some more cash for my license. Then I am "safe". If the state allows me to simply raise my gvw by paying them more, and it does, what are the happy lawyers going to do now? Sue the state for allowing me to raise the gvw so I was not over weight?

You guys have obviously not figured out that it is all about the money. Opinions vary, I could go on but I see no point in it. What I can tell you with certainty is that my truck has NO problem with the loads that I carry, no driving problems and no stopping problems, and if I pay the state higher license fees no legal problems either. It is NOT "rolling the dice".

That said I realize that everything has its limits. I can assure you my truck does not have problems with 3500 lb payloads, which is within the mfg specs. 5000 lbs may be another matter.
 
   / diesel "upgrades" #32  
Found a used 06 chevy 2500 4x4 crew like I want w/ 50k. Dealer is giving me GOOD money for my 1/2 ton pickup.

One problem though, truck has a lot of crap on it.

Here is a list of the stuff in question.

"Banks Power components (Banks Ram-Air Intake System, Banks Six-Gun Diesel Tuner, Banks Monster Exhaust, Banks DynaFact Instrumentation with Boost and Exhaust Temperature gauges), Hensley TrailerSaver TS3 Air Ride 5th wheel hitch with SaverSlide, Tekonsha Prodigy Trailer Brake Control."

I wanted a brake controller anyway, but is the other stuff good or bad? I generally tend to be of the opinion "if it aint broke dont fix it".

Run away or jump on it for 30k?(really 25k, they offered me 23 for a truck worth 18k)

I would pass and keep looking. In my experience, those who spend lots of coin adding power to their vehicles usualy like to use it, me included. I have had my Dmax chipped since 2003 and 7k miles, it now has 107k. I am running one of those coal rolling,tire burning, Edge juice chips mentioned earlier {it was even a discounted reman}, and i am not ashamed to say it. Banks makes some nice stuff, but if one were to research they're particular make, could easily find better programming than banks offers, such as from Kennedy Diesel for the DMax .

Bottom line, if the previouse owner was a moron the truck could be a real problem, You have no real way of knowing, so I would recomend you spend your 30k somewhere else.
 
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   / diesel "upgrades" #33  
All I have to do to be "safe" then is register my vehicle for a higher gvw. All it takes is a few minutes, one form, and some more cash for my license. Then I am "safe". If the state allows me to simply raise my gvw by paying them more, and it does, what are the happy lawyers going to do now? Sue the state for allowing me to raise the gvw so I was not over weight?

You guys have obviously not figured out that it is all about the money. Opinions vary, I could go on but I see no point in it. What I can tell you with certainty is that my truck has NO problem with the loads that I carry, no driving problems and no stopping problems, and if I pay the state higher license fees no legal problems either. It is NOT "rolling the dice".

That said I realize that everything has its limits. I can assure you my truck does not have problems with 3500 lb payloads, which is within the mfg specs. 5000 lbs may be another matter.

Bingo! Here in Texas I can register my truck for as much as I am willing to pay for. Provided my license class is high enough, and the tire load ratings are not exceeded, I am "safe":laughing: Take a 2000 F250 with a 8800# rating, and 4 235/85r16 tires rated at 3042# each, I can now register my truck to haul 15k(or any other weight, provided I am willing to pay for it) if I want, but realistically, if the DOT enforcement check, I am only legal for 6084# on each axle, a total of 12,168#.....not 8800#.
 
   / diesel "upgrades" #34  
I am going to expand on this discussion just a bit more, then I am finished. The information I have been sharing with you guys came directly from the tech dept at GM. I had questions many years ago regarding this very subject when I bought my first truck camper and was in the process of buying a heavy duty truck to handle it. Specifically the advertised payload vs gvw was my main sticking point, just as some of you seem to be stuck on this point. The dealership owner was a personal friend of mine and to satisfy my situation he got a tech on line for me and he pretty much went over the whole deal.

So what it really boils down to is that the trucks are capable of handling the advertised loads, even though the gvw numbers do not support it. Again IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! Lots of customers buy these trucks for towing and do not need the capacity, they do not want to thrown into a commercial insurance situation, (remember the 10,000 gvw and private passenger deal), and high license costs for capacity they will never use. The mfg has to list a gvw as pretty much all states use gvw as a licensing base.

Now I am gonna tell you that I personally believe the engineer a whole lot more than something I read on an internet forum. His assurance and explanation made perfect sense to me and I accepted it. That plus I have been using my truck camper and also heavier loads for years without the slightest issue, just as he assured me it would, and it supports his explanation.

As previously stated I also understand that if I were to get stopped and weighed I am dead meat and will be looking at a hefty fine, however if I just increase my weight on the tag I am golden, as the previous poster noted. I also have some law enforcement friends and they assured me that as long as the truck does not look overloaded they will probably never bother me. They are really after the contractors etc and someone that is obviously overloaded.

The last scenario I am going to offer is this: Go buy a blazer, suburban, explorer, cherokee, durango or whatever and there is NO GVW. You can put whatever load you want on it and drive it anywhere and you cannot be fined! So legally I can put some unheard of amount of weight, for example 7000 lb in one of these vehicles and I am "safe" because there is no gvw on these vehicles! Plus the license cost is the same as a car, at least in PA.

So bottom line is that these heavy duty trucks will handle the advertised payload safely, although not legally unless you up the weight class on your license. Choose to believe whatever you want, I do not care. But remember one thing that is true in many situations. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!
 
   / diesel "upgrades" #35  
Even my motorcycle has a GVWR.

Good luck storm, we just disagree, no big deal. I believe the actual sticker in the door jamb that lists the equipment's rated capacity and you believe something else.
 
   / diesel "upgrades" #36  
The last scenario I am going to offer is this: Go buy a blazer, suburban, explorer, cherokee, durango or whatever and there is NO GVW. You can put whatever load you want on it and drive it anywhere and you cannot be fined! So legally I can put some unheard of amount of weight, for example 7000 lb in one of these vehicles and I am "safe" because there is no gvw on these vehicles! Plus the license cost is the same as a car, at least in PA. !

Hmm.. I have a yukon.. same thing as a suburban.. it for sure has a gvw listed on it's door jamb sticker.

as for what's possible and what's leagal.. and what could get you sued in an accident.. I'd have to say that if you were over what the sticker said.. it would be a sticking point for a lawsuit. whether or not the truck will do more is kinda moot. We've all overloaded our vehicles at one time or another.. sure they will take some extra... it's extra risk and liability though. I moved up to a larger truck just to make sure i'd be safer pulling larger loads...

soundguy
 
   / diesel "upgrades" #37  
I really don't think you'd be wanting to put 6084 lbs. on your front axle. I think there's some misunderstand as to what registration weights really are. In Michigan, it starts out at 24K.



Sorry, you're all wet. Put the catnip down and read some stickers. You'll find GVW and GAWR figures. ;)



Check out your REGISTRATION - NO gvw . They are treated like a station wagon.
 
   / diesel "upgrades" #38  
I really don't think you'd be wanting to put 6084 lbs. on your front axle. I think there's some misunderstand as to what registration weights really are. In Michigan, it starts out at 24K.



Sorry, you're all wet. Put the catnip down and read some stickers. You'll find GVW and GAWR figures. ;)

You are correct. Even the little Saturn I just sold in May had a MAX GVWR clearly stated on the door sticker along with ratings for both axles.

Chris
 
   / diesel "upgrades" #39  
I am going to expand on this discussion just a bit more, then I am finished. The information I have been sharing with you guys came directly from the tech dept at GM. I had questions many years ago regarding this very subject when I bought my first truck camper and was in the process of buying a heavy duty truck to handle it. Specifically the advertised payload vs gvw was my main sticking point, just as some of you seem to be stuck on this point. The dealership owner was a personal friend of mine and to satisfy my situation he got a tech on line for me and he pretty much went over the whole deal.

So what it really boils down to is that the trucks are capable of handling the advertised loads, even though the gvw numbers do not support it. Again IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! Lots of customers buy these trucks for towing and do not need the capacity, they do not want to thrown into a commercial insurance situation, (remember the 10,000 gvw and private passenger deal), and high license costs for capacity they will never use. The mfg has to list a gvw as pretty much all states use gvw as a licensing base.

Now I am gonna tell you that I personally believe the engineer a whole lot more than something I read on an internet forum. His assurance and explanation made perfect sense to me and I accepted it. That plus I have been using my truck camper and also heavier loads for years without the slightest issue, just as he assured me it would, and it supports his explanation.

As previously stated I also understand that if I were to get stopped and weighed I am dead meat and will be looking at a hefty fine, however if I just increase my weight on the tag I am golden, as the previous poster noted. I also have some law enforcement friends and they assured me that as long as the truck does not look overloaded they will probably never bother me. They are really after the contractors etc and someone that is obviously overloaded.

The last scenario I am going to offer is this: Go buy a blazer, suburban, explorer, cherokee, durango or whatever and there is NO GVW. You can put whatever load you want on it and drive it anywhere and you cannot be fined! So legally I can put some unheard of amount of weight, for example 7000 lb in one of these vehicles and I am "safe" because there is no gvw on these vehicles! Plus the license cost is the same as a car, at least in PA.

So bottom line is that these heavy duty trucks will handle the advertised payload safely, although not legally unless you up the weight class on your license. Choose to believe whatever you want, I do not care. But remember one thing that is true in many situations. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!

I agree with everything you said with the exception of the NO GVWR on SUV's. Every vehicle has a max GVWR and ratings for each axle.

I know this is a sticky subject. My neighbors nephwey bought a 99 F-250 diesel. With him in it we weighed it at the scales and it left 800# for payload. Pretty pathetic but its what is legal.

I am no saint. I have overloaded every truck I have owned so far with the exception of my 08 Titan. Not that it cant do it, just have not needed too having Big Nasty sitting in the garage next to it (my 06 F-350 4x4 Diesel). This particular F-350 has towed 9,000# more than its limit for well over 600 miles without a complaint, 25,000#. I have had over 2,700# in a 5.5' bed on a 01 F-150. It was nearly twice the legal load and it handled it fine. Squatted it a lot but did not look like it was going to break.

We all take our chances. Advertised versus legal versus safe is a fine line.

Chris
 
   / diesel "upgrades" #40  
This post definitely go a little off track from the OP. I probably wouldn't but the truck. I'm a younger guy and I know what I would do if I had that stuff on my own truck. I would keep looking.

As for the GVWR. Here's the definition of GVWR from wikipedia. If that is correct then the person would be right by saying the payload is the GVWR minus the curb weight.

According to the 2011 Chevy Silverado 3500HD web site. - Maximum payload capacity includes weight of driver, passengers, optional equipment and cargo.

Try this out. Go to the dimensions tab. It lists curb weights, Payloads and GVWR. Maybe this will clear some things up for someone I hope.

Here's something from Chevy's FAQs.

Q. What is the difference between Curb Weight and Gross Vehicle Weight?
A. Curb Weight is the weight of an empty vehicle (without payload or driver) with standard equipment, fuel, coolant, and oil. It is also known as the vehicle weight. Gross Vehicle Weight is the actual weight of the entire vehicle and its contents, including fuel and occupants
 

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