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looknlearn,I know in the past you used to be able to possibly get a ride on a freightliner with cargo boxes , and no views. But Im sure thats all gone now as well.

 

[Scooby074]

We were told those airport X-rays weren't going to be saved. Then a few months ago there was a big flap about some government agency secretly saving them. Don't know if that was stopped or still going on? Just another example of government lies in the name of security.

You just know that was a lie. I knew it the first time i heard it. They'll have to be able to store the images both for training (to show how the terrorist actually had the device) and for prosecution.

THen you get whats been going on overseas, where the xray operator (whose supposed to be out of site of the xrayee) leaves his position so he can watch the person enter the machine and match her (his???) xray image with his mental image of the actual person.... sick.

When you think about it, the terrorists won. Were all treated like criminals, with no right to privacy. Cant even carry a fingernail file. What can you do with a fingernail file? or even a small jackknife? not much.

Funny thing is, the next attack wont be anything like the past. Internal explosives or explosives planted on a child would me my guess... or maybe a rocket from the ground. Theres always ways and the bad guys know this. Inconveniencing the general public really isnt fixing it.

Now having air marshals on each flight and using profiling and actually talking to passengers and using psychological evaluations WILL work. Just ask the Israelis.

 

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When you think about it, the terrorists won. Were all treated like criminals, with no right to privacy. Cant even carry a fingernail file. What can you do with a fingernail file? or even a small jackknife? not much.

BINGO, you've got that correct. Plus our G has created yet another spot for taxe raises to be sold to us.

 

[Bird]

Cant even carry a fingernail file.

Some readers may think you are exaggerating, but my wife had an aunt in California, retired second grade school teacher, weighed less than 100 pounds, 90 years old, when she last came to visit us, and was brought out from the plane in a wheelchair. They did not confiscate her non-metallic nail file in California when she flew to Dallas, but they did confiscate it in Dallas when she flew back to California.

 

[Scooby074]

Some readers may think you are exaggerating, but my wife had an aunt in California, retired second grade school teacher, weighed less than 100 pounds, 90 years old, when she last came to visit us, and was brought out from the plane in a wheelchair. They did not confiscate her non-metallic nail file in California when she flew to Dallas, but they did confiscate it in Dallas when she flew back to California.

your right bird. i only wish i was exaggerating. I have family that flies weekly and ive heard all the stories first hand.

And dont even think about taking nose hair scissors in your carryon

 

[inveresk]

Looknlearn, a number of cargo ships take passengers. I checked this out when I had to get back to Europe at a time when the Icelandic volcano was stopping transatlantic flights. The cost isn't cheap but is usually on a par with a scheduled flight. The cabins are generous, often with a sitting room and separate bedroom. All meals are included and quite a few of the freighters have gyms and cinemas.

There are lots of web sites providing information on this. Here's one.

How to Travel by Cargo Ship

If you have the time, I think this would be a really cool way to travel, way more relaxing and interesting than flying.

 

[keegs]

I'd like to see a verifiable mechanism to ID everyone who works in America.

 

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Some readers may think you are exaggerating, but my wife had an aunt in California, retired second grade school teacher, weighed less than 100 pounds, 90 years old, when she last came to visit us, and was brought out from the plane in a wheelchair. They did not confiscate her non-metallic nail file in California when she flew to Dallas, but they did confiscate it in Dallas when she flew back to California.

That is a shame, how can we{US citizens} treat each other this way? How low have we{US} sunk to pick on our elders like this? Definatley not a shinning moment

 

[looknlearn]

Looknlearn, a number of cargo ships take passengers. I checked this out when I had to get back to Europe at a time when the Icelandic volcano was stopping transatlantic flights. The cost isn't cheap but is usually on a par with a scheduled flight. The cabins are generous, often with a sitting room and separate bedroom. All meals are included and quite a few of the freighters have gyms and cinemas.

There are lots of web sites providing information on this. Here's one.

How to Travel by Cargo Ship

If you have the time, I think this would be a really cool way to travel, way more relaxing and interesting than flying.
Yesterday 07:08 PM

Thanks, Inveresk. It sounds really interesting. I hoped there were more ways to get overseas than a airplane. When I am ready to start planning going overseas I'll look into it in detail.

 

[wroughtn_harv]

Please tell us what freedom it was that you gave up at HD? Convenience maybe...but I don't see any freedoms being abused. Would you feel the same if asked to show ID at a liquor store? I love it when I present a credit card and they ask for ID also. The store wishes to not sell certain items to minors. If we take away their tools for doing that, whose freedoms are then being abused? Yes, showing your ID to buy Liquid Nails or glue is a pain, but it's a loss of convenience, not a loss of freedom in my opinion.

Right on Jim.

The real freedom here is you don't have to shop at HD or any other store.

I like the idea of making sure the clerks do their job, insuring that kids aren't buying stuff they can abuse to ruin their brains.