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In my "perfect" world a member of the legislature would not write any new laws. The laws we have on the books now are plentiful, and can' be enforced. Jails Full up Ken Sweet

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[brin]

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[rekees4300]

In my "perfect" world a member of the legislature would not write any new laws. The laws we have on the books now are plentiful, and can' be enforced. Jails Full up Ken Sweet

In my perfect world there would be no need for any laws but it's goin' take some time before humans reach that point (if ever).

 

[/pine]

...Is there any evidence that places with term limits have been governed better than others ...

how can there be any evidence...comparing state government to the federal level is apples to oranges...

I feel that term limits would not serve us well....The voters can impose a limit to anyone's number of terms - be informed and vote...

for the former...this rhetoric usuallly comes from states that habitually return the most powerful people to office...for the latter that is directley related to the former...the problem is obvious...the fault lies with the eletorate...

Term limits would do the same for the legislative branches as it has done for the executive branch...it keeps popularity out of the equation...

there are far to many congressmen and senators that are "poster children" for term limits...

removing career politicians from the federal legislative branchs would be a step closer to removing lobbyists from the picture

 

[Ruark]

Like religion, education and many other social issues, I think this reflects a broad, fundamental change in our society, not just a specific element. One of the best examples I can think of is "counter checks." Anybody remember those?

Back in the 50's and early 60's, credit cards weren't really around, and everybody wrote checks, except for small cash items. At the checkout counter in any store or restaurant, you saw a little rack of blank checks. You found the ones from your bank, tore off a check, wrote in the amount and signed it.

Usually there were some extra checks in the little rack with no bank name on them. If you couldn't find a check from your bank, you just took one of these and WROTE IN the name of the bank. No problemo.

Of course, asking for your ID was unheard of.

Can you *IMAGINE* doing this today? Utterly, totally unthinkable.

Remember when every boy carried a pocketknife? When kids rode bicycles to school? Remember when there were no chain businesses, no fast food, no credit cards, no cable TV, no voice mail? When "playing" meant "going outside"? Wish I had a dollar for every time I've said, "Mommy, can I go outside and play?" and the streets were swarming with kids on bicycles. Drive down the typical suburban residential street now. It's deserted: not a living soul in sight, young or old. They're all inside staring at a computer or TV, usually while stuffing their fat faces with junk food.

We've lost something very, very special in this country, and we'll never get it back. Some call it "the America Norman Rockwell painted." Sadly, it's gone forever.

Anyway..... when people start talking about how things have changed, those counter checks always come to my mind as an perfect example of how our society has changed over the last few decades.

-Ruark

 

[Chuck52]

how can there be any evidence...comparing state government to the federal level is apples to oranges...



for the former...this rhetoric usuallly comes from states that habitually return the most powerful people to office...for the latter that is directley related to the former...the problem is obvious...the fault lies with the eletorate...

Term limits would do the same for the legislative branches as it has done for the executive branch...it keeps popularity out of the equation...

there are far to many congressmen and senators that are "poster children" for term limits...

removing career politicians from the federal legislative branchs would be a step closer to removing lobbyists from the picture

I doubt term limits would be the panacea some folks seem to expect, but if it ever comes to pass I hope the retirement plans for Congress and Senate are modified so that we don't end up supporting even more ex-politicians for life at incomes most Americans can only dream of.

Chuck

 

[LostInTheWoods]

In 2005 my state (Oregon) started making everybody show ID to buy OTC allergy meds with pseudoephedrine in them. This was an effort to stem the ridiculous meth/tweeker problem that we had, and you know what? It was a pain in the A## but it was worked very well.

Actually, the crooks just got smarter. All you need now is a Coke bottle to "cook" meth. Its called "shake and bake" or "one pot meth". It's a lot harder to identify a meth lab when it fits into your pocket, as opposed to the "last generation" meth labs that were much bigger/smellier/etc.

I'd bet there are just as many meth labs around you today as there were in 2005 - possibly more.

 

[brin]

It just seems like it is commonsense to me if you think about it....Without term limits we are inviting career politicians to exist and that seems to be the way the go along to get along mentality sets in. It is also how lobbyists and professional congressional aids continue to corrupt politicians who seek to get along so they can lock in a lifetime pension and benefits after only serving for 5 yrs. To me our system is designed to encourage corruption which is not what our founding fathers envisioned. Bring back the citizen legislators who serve only part time..Congress does not need to be in session all year long...they are not there all year now...look at all the vacation and junkets they take on our dime..We must go back to the original system of citizen legislators that take a couple of years to go to DC for several months a year and then they are done. My 2 cents.

 

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