Chevy vs Ford Diesel Shootout

[Diamondpilot]

DEF is no problem in my area. Many fuel stations have signs saying they have it. I have also seen it at WalMart, Menards, Auto Zone, Advanced Auto, Napa, Car Quest, ect.

Chris

 

[dodge man]

The outcome was a given, otherwise Chevy wouldn't have done it. I wonder what the Dodge would have done? Did they pick a load that the Dodge couldn't meet because they didn't want it in the competition? Let's face it the test was stacked and G.M. Knew the outcome ahead of time.

 

[blueriver]

Now the real question is when will Dodge get back into the game?

Chris

Just as darn soon as I find that vacum leak !!!!!!

 

[Builder]

Very interesting. I give it to GM. Like I said before they had a truck that would FINALLY give Ford a run for its money. This new truck is a winner. One thing I did notice reading the article is the great differences in gearing of the tranny. The GM uses much higher gears than the Ford in the tranny??? Not sure how this works out in the real world but it looks like Ford missed the gearing in the tranny.

Dodge is still out of the picture and I still will not support GM.

I would really like to see Toyota and Nissan get into the Heavy Duty Diesel truck Market.

Chris

Tell you what, back in '07 my GM would kick the snot out of the '07 6L Ford I compared it to back when I bought my truck. More HP, more TQ, FAR better trans, heavier bigger rear with true locker and a much longer powertrain warranty.

It ain't GM "FINALLY"...... it's GM AGAIN. :thumbsup:

 

[Diamondpilot]

Tell you what, back in '07 my GM would kick the snot out of the '07 6L Ford I compared it to back when I bought my truck. More HP, more TQ, FAR better trans, heavier bigger rear with true locker and a much longer powertrain warranty.

It ain't GM "FINALLY"...... it's GM AGAIN. :thumbsup:

It beats it with less payload, less towing capacity, less cab room, lighter weight, less front axle capability, ect????:laughing::laughing::laughing:

HP and TQ are for bragging rights. Lets face it, the G80 locker is better than what Ford had at the time but its the most Micky Mouse Locker on the market. I had one. It clunks in and out, disengages at about 25 mph wheel spin, ect. Its better than not having one but does not hold a candle to a True Air or Electric locker like Ford, Dodge, and Nissan have now.

I have given this new GM trucks props since day one. It won this battle but so did Ford in its version of a shoot out. They run them in a test which makes the product they are pushing look the best. Either way, I am impressed with the new offering from GM.

You seem to forget I owned a 05 4x4 Dmax 3500 SRW very similar to yours. I bought it because I thought it was better then the current 04 4x4 6.0L Ford F-250 I had and still do. Its been absolutely trouble free.. On paper the Dmax was better, but the real world proved different for me and I traded it and got another 6.0L F-350. Glad I did.

Chris

 

[Builder]

Two things come to mind. First, the GM is 800# lighter on average. Chris

From the test:

"Besides the same rear axle ratios, the $54,805 8,440-pound Ford was just $65 and 220 pounds more than the $54,740 8,220-pound Silverado."

:laughing::laughing:

From the test author:

The Chevy Silverado was significantly faster. It finished more than two minutes ahead of the F-350, in 8 minutes, 38.2 seconds. Average speed cruising up to 11,000 feet was 53.63 mph, 11.22 mph faster on average than the Ford. The Chevy’s top speed was 67.38 mph for a few seconds before the grade changed from 5 percent to 7 percent.
The Chevy and Ford had similar performances at the start of their runs. The Ford clicked off the quarter-mile in 31.25 seconds at 45.13 mph, and the Chevy ran the same distance in 28.93 seconds at 50.3 mph. But the Chevy was already coming on like a freight train at that point. It took the Silverado 28.56 seconds to go from zero to 50 mph, while it took the Ford 42.02 seconds."

So it seems Ford can claim all the brochure stats they want. The sad part is most people will buy trucks based on those numbers.

Best thing to do when buying a truck or equipment is to test it in the real world with real world situations. That is a test that comes pretty close to real world conditions.

 

[JESSE1]

I'm sure no manufacturer would think or even consider doing it now, but in years past they would hop up an engine before entering it in performance tests. The engine would appear completely stock but would put out more horsepower and torque than the ones sold to the public. Unless the vehicle was put on a dyno no one could know the difference. Not saying this was done but I don't think GM would have done the tests unless they were absolutely sure of the outcome. If they hadn't won they would really have had egg on their face. I know the article said the trucks had to have been bought right off the sales lot but who knows?

 

[Diamondpilot]

From the test:

"Besides the same rear axle ratios, the $54,805 8,440-pound Ford was just $65 and 220 pounds more than the $54,740 8,220-pound Silverado."

:laughing::laughing:

Again, the cut and paste doctor does his magic. Go back and reread what I said. Here, I will post if for you to save you the complicated process.

"First, the GM is 800# lighter on average. That may or may not be true with the new GM trucks since they finally got a better and heavier chassis."

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

I'm sure no manufacturer would think or even consider doing it now, but in years past they would hop up an engine before entering it in performance tests. The engine would appear completely stock but would put out more horsepower and torque than the ones sold to the public. Unless the vehicle was put on a dyno no one could know the difference. Not saying this was done but I don't think GM would have done the tests unless they were absolutely sure of the outcome. If they hadn't won they would really have had egg on their face. I know the article said the trucks had to have been bought right off the sales lot but who knows?

I seriously doubt that is the case. I think GM picked a task that they were better at. The gearing of the tranny is what did it for them. As you know with dealing with old trucks like you do gearing can do a lot.

I have been driving a Chevy C60 dump truck a lot here latly. It has a 4 speed and a 2 barrel 350 but get the job done with about 185 HP or something like that. Just slow as @^&#%#.

Chris

 

[W7XYZ]

Lets face it, the G80 locker is better than what Ford had at the time but its the most Micky Mouse Locker on the market.

The GovLoc came out in the mid 70s as a replacement to the old clutch pack designs that were highly dependent on special lubrication requirements to function reliably for a long period of time. Those lubricants (not friction modifiers) were taken off the market. The GovLoc allowed the unit to function as a part time locker with standard axle lube. At the time, I think only a Detroit Locker was the only other unit available. I'm sure patent rights entered into the picture too.