concerns on T15xx front axle and chassis

[oldboyscout]

I'm looking at a NHT1520, Kubota L2800 and noticed that the NH loader has less than HALF the capacity of the Kubota loader. My dealer is quoting me on a Woods loader on the NH which has much greater capacity. My question is why did NH design the loader with such low capacity. Is the tractor not built for such heavy use? I know generally that the tractor is pretty tough, but if it's competing directly with the Kubota L's why not make the loader similar to the L capacity?

 

[art]

I always use what the manufacturer of the tractor recommends for the maximum loader lifts capacity. After all, who know what it can carry better then who designed it!

Aftermarket loaders are most cost effective for the manufactuer of the loader to fit as many applications as possible with minor bracket changes.

We have seen the tractor manufactuer (CNH) deny warrantee claims when this is done.

Are you sure these tractors are comparable? The L-3700 is a better match for the horsepower.

 

[oldboyscout]

yes that's why I'm worried.
NH loader:
breakout at PINS-1602
lift at pin-875

L2800/23400 loader:
breakout at pins -2442
Lift at pins-1142

wouldn't Woods have reason to be careful with that loader if the tractor wasn't designed for those capacities?

 

[RickB]

yes that's why I'm worried.
NH loader:
breakout at PINS-1602
lift at pin-875

L2800/23400 loader:
breakout at pins -2442
Lift at pins-1142

wouldn't Woods have reason to be careful with that loader if the tractor wasn't designed for those capacities?

Calling those NH specs less than half of those for the Kubota is an exaggeration, wouldn't you say?

 

[milkman636]

Woods would have no more liability for a loader than for any of their three point attachment on your tractor. If you exceed the axle rating with the loader it will be your fault not theirs. Check with your tractor manufacturer for published front axle capacities. I know that my John Deere 5210's axle capacities are documented in the owners manual.

 

[oldboyscout]

Rick, Yes you're right "less than half" is my mistake. But they are substantially less.
I'm a blue tractor guy, have a Ford right now, but I'm trying to convince myself on the T over the L.

Is there anywhere to find the front axle capacity? I don't have an owner's manual for it of course

 

[milkman636]

Go to your dealer and ask them for an owners manual look at. If they have one of the tractors on the lot, they have the manual for it. It is the only place that I have seen axle weight capacities published.

If your intended setup with a full bucket is within those specifications you'll be alright. Dirt can weigh up to 110 lbs per cu ft., so look at the bucket capacities for any aftermarket loader you are considering. Add it all up before you buy and you'll be ready if any future warranty issues come up.

This is why art said in an earlier reply that he would tend to trust the manufacturer of the tractor to design a matching loader. Woods does make a nice loader, and there are thousands of them mounted on blue tractors out there. I wouldn't be afraid of one. I would just want to be educated enough to avoid buying one that voided the warranty on my tractor.

 

[jinman]

I think the 110TL is basically the same loader as the 7308. That loader was replaced on Class II Boomers by the 14LA that has similar capabilities to the Kubota loader. The economy tractors seem to retain the 110TL/7308 as the only available loader, but I would not feel bad about installing a Woods loader, but I would like to have a subframe. I think the LC102 has a subframe from the picture I see at their website, and it has a lift capability of 1200 lb. If it didn't have a subframe, I think I'd stick with the 110TL.

 

[JC-jetro]

I'm looking at a NHT1520, Kubota L2800 and noticed that the NH loader has less than HALF the capacity of the Kubota loader. My dealer is quoting me on a Woods loader on the NH which has much greater capacity. My question is why did NH design the loader with such low capacity. Is the tractor not built for such heavy use? I know generally that the tractor is pretty tough, but if it's competing directly with the Kubota L's why not make the loader similar to the L capacity?

Just a cursory look at the L series (2800,3400 3700Su) front axle versus TC-30/ NH 1520 for sure it appears that the built of the axle for Kubota is beefier. I have not looked at the spec for the loader or anything just the physical mass. The NH tapers toward to front reduction gear where Kubota and all the knock off (Kioti, Bobcat) stay the same dia and quite heavy and beefy. I like many aspects of NH design specially 3 point lift system but as a whole I think L3400/3700 (with improved pto coupling) is a better machine than 1520. Kubota Grand L vs NH TC series is more of a toss up with hydraulic independent pto on both. just my 2 cents.

JC,

 

[oldboyscout]

That is true the NH 3pt has really good capacity.