Haywire
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It has been fun. I unsubscribed from this thread quite a few posts ago, but I just can't stay away! Dang entertaining it is. 
we were robbed
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doall
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alright, didn't mean to start a fight. I appologize to those offended. Just kinda saying our justice system doesn't always work.
Thanks for calling our rears sorry, for having an opinion. If you have done nothing wrong none of this pertained to you though.
Thanks for calling our rears sorry, for having an opinion. If you have done nothing wrong none of this pertained to you though.
Loren49
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Merry Christmas, Season's Greetings and Peace on Earth.
Who would kill for a tractor?
Loren
Who would kill for a tractor?
Loren
Redneck in training
Elite Member
I understand the emotions. I was robbed in Puerto Rico. While swimming in the ocean a guy on a horse came and took my camera and all cash from the billfold. Did I want to kill him? You bet I was so mad. If given a chance and means I could attempt it. In the same time I prefer our though imperfect American justice. I spent great part of my life in a country with so called "swift" justice that put people in jail quickly and didn't release them easily on parole. The problem was that there were also many innocent people in jail or jailed for excessive amount of time for minor things. The justice and police were not there to protect the public but to threaten it.
Merry Christmas a Happy crime free Year 2011 to all TBN members.
Merry Christmas a Happy crime free Year 2011 to all TBN members.
TripleR
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As mentioned, my career was in Law Enforcement and though a far from perfect system, still support the "rule of law". I don't know what it is like in the Virgin Islands, but in the US, a citizen of the United States can employ "deadly force" in a variety of situations depending on the laws of any given state. Missouri as well as many other states have laws called Castle Doctrine which allows the use of "deadly force" if someone enters illegally into or onto your property depending on location. Some states extend this beyond the home. You can Google or Bing it for a more detailed description.
In short, in many cases one can kill a perpetrator while remaining within and in support of the "rule of law". Whether or not one chooses to do so is up to the individual. I won't go into the factors to be evaluated in the "Force Continuum" or general justifications as this is about a four hour block.
My experience has been that no one really knows how they will handle a situation until they face it. Chest pounding and venting are not a good indicator nor are admonishments on tolerance and love for your fellow man.
I am familiar with the psychoanalytic term of "Reaction Formation" through training/education and experience. I know enough about psychoanalysis not to make a diagnoses or accusation based on isolated posts on a public forum. Psychiatry/Psychology, while interesting is far from an exact science under the best of circumstances.
As to the point about calling the cops, where I live, no one will show up for forty-five minutes to an hour and a half, until then you are on your own.
Philosophically, we may not be too far about, but if we are, nothing wrong with that.
Trafficman
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TripleR,
Maryland does in fact have "Maryland Castle Law" where a "person legally in their dwelling is not required to retreat" & I was well within my rights as a homeowner to come around the corner into my living room & start shooting. No warning is required, period. That said, you know that when you squeeze that trigger, you can't take it back, & no do overs. A .44 mag at the range I was at (8 ft) would have been fatal anywhere in the torso, & with a laser sight, his head would have been removed from the collar bones up. I didn't want that on MY conscience, and it would've been. (I can remember every deer I shot, over 20 yrs worth!) That said, the guy was a career criminal. The justice system had not made enough of an impression on him to make him want to stop. My evidence of that is those size 14 clodhoppers he was wearing. He was smart enough to wear gloves, so no finger prints. The DA wouldn't even charge him with armed robbery despite his having a box cutter. So he was charged with unlawful entry (basement window was allegedly unlocked), & petty larceny, All class 'B' misdemeanors, He DID get the max 9 months, ALL suspended except for time already served, 4-5 HOURS while I was filling out the paperwork with the PD. hoopee I was not impressed. Prosecuting him cost me more in time and legal fees than I could ever have recovered from him. What makes me the angriest is that I never felt "safe" in my own home again. Am I sorry I didn't blow his worthless sorry ***** away, not really, but if could've crippled him without tearing his whole leg off, he might have had to straighten his life out. He did wind up blowing out his knee about 2 yrs later trying to kick the front door in, again.
RaT,
My 1200mm was a Chinese zoom about $275.00 I should've described it as 400mm-1200mm zoom. No Macro functions, manual fStop, etc. The 300mm & 400mm lenses are FD's for an old AE-1P, My babies. THOSE are worth $$$ but they weren't when I got them, Fungus, dirty, slow actions, etc. An overhaul on them corrected all of their issues. I've come across a lot of old lenses for my AE's at yard & estate sales & PD auctions over the last 25-30 yrs. I don't do fleabay for them, BTDT & been burnt, not parts, but if I can see it & touch it, I can see if it's worth buying.
Recoveryhill,
My adherence to the Rule of law could've cost a man his life over a few Christmas presents. Or to take this a different direction. He could've come upstairs and killed my girlfriend & I, THEN ripped me off. He shouldn't have been in my house to start with for ANY reason. HE should've thought about HIS kids that could've been without a father. He should've learned is lesson when I pulled a gun on him, or wen he destroyed his knee. The PD were surprised that I DIDN'T kill him, and seemed miffed about having to do the robbery paperwork. The 3rd time I had a problem, the same officer responded to the 1st time said "You should've killed him when you had the chance. It would've saved us the trouble of a trial. Be careful, he has friends that're worse." & this guy was a PD Sargent. I moved out several months later, & rented the house out. The couple that moved in only had 1 incident, He came home & found the same the SOB trying to rape his wife, he shot & killed him. They bought the place from me a few yrs later and still live there after 17 yrs. Word got around the neighborhood, "Leave them alone, they don't play."
T-Man.
Maryland does in fact have "Maryland Castle Law" where a "person legally in their dwelling is not required to retreat" & I was well within my rights as a homeowner to come around the corner into my living room & start shooting. No warning is required, period. That said, you know that when you squeeze that trigger, you can't take it back, & no do overs. A .44 mag at the range I was at (8 ft) would have been fatal anywhere in the torso, & with a laser sight, his head would have been removed from the collar bones up. I didn't want that on MY conscience, and it would've been. (I can remember every deer I shot, over 20 yrs worth!) That said, the guy was a career criminal. The justice system had not made enough of an impression on him to make him want to stop. My evidence of that is those size 14 clodhoppers he was wearing. He was smart enough to wear gloves, so no finger prints. The DA wouldn't even charge him with armed robbery despite his having a box cutter. So he was charged with unlawful entry (basement window was allegedly unlocked), & petty larceny, All class 'B' misdemeanors, He DID get the max 9 months, ALL suspended except for time already served, 4-5 HOURS while I was filling out the paperwork with the PD. hoopee I was not impressed. Prosecuting him cost me more in time and legal fees than I could ever have recovered from him. What makes me the angriest is that I never felt "safe" in my own home again. Am I sorry I didn't blow his worthless sorry ***** away, not really, but if could've crippled him without tearing his whole leg off, he might have had to straighten his life out. He did wind up blowing out his knee about 2 yrs later trying to kick the front door in, again.
RaT,
My 1200mm was a Chinese zoom about $275.00 I should've described it as 400mm-1200mm zoom. No Macro functions, manual fStop, etc. The 300mm & 400mm lenses are FD's for an old AE-1P, My babies. THOSE are worth $$$ but they weren't when I got them, Fungus, dirty, slow actions, etc. An overhaul on them corrected all of their issues. I've come across a lot of old lenses for my AE's at yard & estate sales & PD auctions over the last 25-30 yrs. I don't do fleabay for them, BTDT & been burnt, not parts, but if I can see it & touch it, I can see if it's worth buying.
Recoveryhill,
My adherence to the Rule of law could've cost a man his life over a few Christmas presents. Or to take this a different direction. He could've come upstairs and killed my girlfriend & I, THEN ripped me off. He shouldn't have been in my house to start with for ANY reason. HE should've thought about HIS kids that could've been without a father. He should've learned is lesson when I pulled a gun on him, or wen he destroyed his knee. The PD were surprised that I DIDN'T kill him, and seemed miffed about having to do the robbery paperwork. The 3rd time I had a problem, the same officer responded to the 1st time said "You should've killed him when you had the chance. It would've saved us the trouble of a trial. Be careful, he has friends that're worse." & this guy was a PD Sargent. I moved out several months later, & rented the house out. The couple that moved in only had 1 incident, He came home & found the same the SOB trying to rape his wife, he shot & killed him. They bought the place from me a few yrs later and still live there after 17 yrs. Word got around the neighborhood, "Leave them alone, they don't play."
T-Man.
TripleR
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TripleR,
Maryland does in fact have "Maryland Castle Law" where a "person legally in their dwelling is not required to retreat" & I was well within my rights as a homeowner to come around the corner into my living room & start shooting. No warning is required, period. That said, you know that when you squeeze that trigger, you can't take it back, & no do overs. A .44 mag at the range I was at (8 ft) would have been fatal anywhere in the torso, & with a laser sight, his head would have been removed from the collar bones up. I didn't want that on MY conscience, and it would've been. (I can remember every deer I shot, over 20 yrs worth!) That said, the guy was a career criminal. The justice system had not made enough of an impression on him to make him want to stop. My evidence of that is those size 14 clodhoppers he was wearing. He was smart enough to wear gloves, so no finger prints. The DA wouldn't even charge him with armed robbery despite his having a box cutter. So he was charged with unlawful entry (basement window was allegedly unlocked), & petty larceny, All class 'B' misdemeanors, He DID get the max 9 months, ALL suspended except for time already served, 4-5 HOURS while I was filling out the paperwork with the PD. hoopee I was not impressed. Prosecuting him cost me more in time and legal fees than I could ever have recovered from him. What makes me the angriest is that I never felt "safe" in my own home again. Am I sorry I didn't blow his worthless sorry ***** away, not really, but if could've crippled him without tearing his whole leg off, he might have had to straighten his life out. He did wind up blowing out his knee about 2 yrs later trying to kick the front door in, again.
T-Man.
Man your laws do suck up there. Here entering an occupied dwelling with intent to commit a crime even a misdemeanor is Burglary in the First Degree is a Class B Felony as is entering an unoccupied dwelling with a weapon. We also have the ACA (Armed Criminal Action) statue that mandates a mandatory 3 year DOC sentence without the possibility of probation or parole on top of the underlying sentence. They can also be charged as "Prior and Persistent Offenders which gives them an even longer sentence and mandatory period of confinement prior to be eligible for parole.
You showed remarkable restraint and should be commended. I may very well have shot him.
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Entertainment for sure, cannot keep from coming back. How did sexual preferance enter this?
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OneMan
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Ok, don;t put your SS number on the articles you have as was the big rage in the 80a 90s as now they have your Soc number to play with. Also if you think it is hard to kill someone, just ask the widows of the LEOs that hesitated to think first and shot later, Last shots they hear are the firing of a salute.Believe someone once said;"those that beat their swords into plowshares will live to plow for those who didn't"
Call the Manufacturer and give them the serial number of the stolen item. The Police only put it into NCIC and that is fine uf another LEO runs the item but not if it is taken in for service.
Who cares who drives a truck or tractor as long as they have a job.
Trafficman
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TripleR,
Back then it was me & my girlfriend. Today, Wife & Kids I don't think I'd hesitate. I might toss my cookies & have nightmares afterwards, but my family would be safe.
OneMan,
I wrote down the original Mfg Serial Numbers if they had them, if not then I used the model # which wasn't enough. The name of the ID game is Serial #'s &/or PICTURES.
T-Man.
Back then it was me & my girlfriend. Today, Wife & Kids I don't think I'd hesitate. I might toss my cookies & have nightmares afterwards, but my family would be safe.
OneMan,
I wrote down the original Mfg Serial Numbers if they had them, if not then I used the model # which wasn't enough. The name of the ID game is Serial #'s &/or PICTURES.
T-Man.
