Very cold gasoline and diesel fuel storage

[brokenknee]

50/50 usually means 50% #2 diesel 50% #1 diesel. Most placed will have the blended fuel with a anti jell mixed in at the pump during the winter. Around here 60# #2 and 20% #1 seem to be popular. Blended fuel lowers the pour point at which it will start to form wax or jell. I am sure the folks up north will blend with more or straight #1.

Dan

Yep, 50% #1 and 50% #2. They do not mix were I buy my fuel, I have to do it myself.

 

[sw03]

I would strongly suggest you leave them outside as the insurance company will refuse to play nicely if heaven forbid something happens.

So you are 100% sure they, insurance, will have an issue? Heard this for years about DIY, car engine oil length of time etc..So what is next, haven paint cans in my house they will not pay...If it is sealed or not diesel will not do anything in a house. Gas "might" but the air/fuel ration will have to be perfect. If you think it will happen, play the lottery and see what happens...

 

[jonyyuma]

Gasoline fumes or vapors are highly explosive in a warm area, best stored outside any living area.. Hot-water tank pilot lights provide igniton source, regardless of air/fuel ratios.. Insurance? I would not test them, myself.

 

[sw03]

Yes it [gas vapors] are highly exp and you should also have a tighten container before hand... And most new water tanks in like the last 10 to 12 years have the Features C3Technology. Vapors will shut them down.

I would worrry about the white lighting before gas fumes....

 

[donn12]

When I said I might bring the cans inside , I am talking about putting them inside my garage or barn. Right now they are in a plastic deck box outside. I get a hard time from my wife for keeping 3 pairs of boots inside.

 

[some zilch]

industry and farms keep large fuel tanks outside, so i would assume that a couple gas cans in a deck box are going to survive the winter. just think of all the heavy machinery that sits outside all winter, yet somehow manages to start every day to be used..........

 

[Wis Bang]

Gasoline fumes or vapors are highly explosive in a warm area, best stored outside any living area.. Hot-water tank pilot lights provide igniton source, regardless of air/fuel ratios.. Insurance? I would not test them, myself.

The flash point of Gasoline is between -35F to -45F so there is enough molecular activity to produce vapors at a very low temp, that's why your car starts when it is very cold. Diesel's flash point is around 141F which is why it needs blending +/or additives plus block heaters in the winter.

A deck box, shed or unheated barn would be fine for gasoline unless there is a source of open flame in use.

 

[Mounted Madness]

Well now, it's clear it didn't sink in when I was reading this thread a while ago. Here's the scenario. I was clearing several driveways yesterday and figured I'd fill up the tractor from the Jerry can that I had safely stored in the shop.

No problem, topped up the tank and away I went. Worked for about 3 hours without a problem, rolled back home, put the machine back in the shop, said good night and went into the house.

Today, another neighbour called to have his driveway cleared out. Away I go, dressed for a 20-30 minute job. Just as I am finishing, my trusty tractor starts to fart and bang and sputter. The fuel gauge shows it's full (first clue) and I am wondering the big What The? Machine dies. Restart. Runs. Dies. After some 10 minutes of this, I call a buddy who comes over on his tractor and tows me back home. We push my BX into a warm garage and let it sit. Talk for about 10 minutes and then try it. Runs great.:thumbsup: We pretty much confirm that there's water in the fuel line and fuel has gelled. I put in some additive/conditioner and it's now sitting in the garage thawing out.:confused2:

Now comes the best part. Last year, the government here in Manitoba, in its fabulously sound and scientifically researched wisdom, announced that after their success in having grain alcohol added to gasoline, the next step was bio-diesel. It turns out, according to the service station I get my diesel, that fuel obtained before Oct, is bio-diesel. Thus, fuel I had in the Jerry can was bio-diesel. Another WTFuel moment.

So here it is, because some political lunkhead, who has no scientific or engineering background, decides to impose this chemistry test on us poor working stiffs, we end up having to problem solve our fuel line systems and remedy the issues they have created.

Yeah I'm a little ticked. I know life ain't simple, but why do lawyers, who become politicians, who then figure they ... ah, never mind. Just had to vent a bit. I'm sure it'll be okay, now that 1/2 a quart of conditioner is now in my tank. Now for some FRESH WINTER DIESEL. :thumbsup:

There, now I feel (fuel?) better.:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

 

[Duffster]

Well now, it's clear it didn't sink in when I was reading this thread a while ago. Here's the scenario. I was clearing several driveways yesterday and figured I'd fill up the tractor from the Jerry can that I had safely stored in the shop.

No problem, topped up the tank and away I went. Worked for about 3 hours without a problem, rolled back home, put the machine back in the shop, said good night and went into the house.

Today, another neighbour called to have his driveway cleared out. Away I go, dressed for a 20-30 minute job. Just as I am finishing, my trusty tractor starts to fart and bang and sputter. The fuel gauge shows it's full (first clue) and I am wondering the big What The? Machine dies. Restart. Runs. Dies. After some 10 minutes of this, I call a buddy who comes over on his tractor and tows me back home. We push my BX into a warm garage and let it sit. Talk for about 10 minutes and then try it. Runs great.:thumbsup: We pretty much confirm that there's water in the fuel line and fuel has gelled. I put in some additive/conditioner and it's now sitting in the garage thawing out.:confused2:

Now comes the best part. Last year, the government here in Manitoba, in its fabulously sound and scientifically researched wisdom, announced that after their success in having grain alcohol added to gasoline, the next step was bio-diesel. It turns out, according to the service station I get my diesel, that fuel obtained before Oct, is bio-diesel. Thus, fuel I had in the Jerry can was bio-diesel. Another WTFuel moment.

So here it is, because some political lunkhead, who has no scientific or engineering background, decides to impose this chemistry test on us poor working stiffs, we end up having to problem solve our fuel line systems and remedy the issues they have created.

Yeah I'm a little ticked. I know life ain't simple, but why do lawyers, who become politicians, who then figure they ... ah, never mind. Just had to vent a bit. I'm sure it'll be okay, now that 1/2 a quart of conditioner is now in my tank. Now for some FRESH WINTER DIESEL. :thumbsup:

There, now I feel (fuel?) better.:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

What was the percentag of Bio? I doubt that was the problem.

 

[Mounted Madness]

Apparently it's 20% Duffster. It's the only thing I can figure, either that or moisture/condensation buildup in the tank. I started it up again this morning, and my BX is running fine now, what with a 1/2 quart of conditioner in it.

I bought some more fuel conditioner this morning to make sure the 2-3 quarts of fuel left in the jerry can don't create a fuss with the fresh stuff on top of it.

It'll be interesting to see if there's any further problem. My wife wants her garage back and I'd just as soon keep the tractor plugged in, in the cold shop.

If I have any further problems, I'll be asking... or better still, I'll call the dealer... since the machine's still under warranty