Ford V-6 beats v-8's in towing competition

[Diamondpilot]

Those are great numbers Will. Thanks. There are a lot of good details for all auto sales. And for those who didn't take the time to open the link, Ford does sell more pickups than Chevy and GM combined. I was surprised to see how few GMC's are sold compared to Chevy. I thought they were closer.

Again, this is regional thing. I never saw a GMC truck for the first few years I drove. When I went to college I meet a guy who had a S-15, the GMC version of a S-10. Never even knew they made them.

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

That's why IF there is a half-ton diesel in the US, it will be a Dodge Ram. Cummins already has developed and manufactured small diesel engines for use in light duty trucks. Engines like the 4 cyl 3.8l ISF3.8 making 167hp and 443 lb.ft of torque. I am sure you'll see one within 5 years making that power and returning 25+ mpg in a full size truck.

The kicker for any of the manufactures is will it make emissions. I agree though, Dodge will most likely be first and if not Ford will do it.

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

Those numbers are for total light truck sales which would include SUV's and possibly crossovers as well.

GM sales more autos overseas than on US soil or very close to it. Buick is a very large brand in Japan and China. They have moved off shore to pick up for lagging sales stateside.

Chris

 

[aczlan]

Huh ?, I see YTD totals for General Motors @ 1,243,513 and Ford @ 1,109,283
Unless I'm reading it wrong

Perhaps he is referencing F series pickups vs Silverado and Sierra pickups?
YTD sales of F series pickups are 473,461

YTD sales of Silverado pickups are 327,617
YTD sales of Sierra pickups are 112,999
YTD sales of Chevy and GMC Pickups combined are 440,616
Source: Auto Sales - Markets Data Center - WSJ.com

Aaron Z

 

[JasG]

The kicker for any of the manufactures is will it make emissions. I agree though, Dodge will most likely be first and if not Ford will do it.

Chris

Here is the kicker, Ford already has an engine that probably meets emissions. For some reason they are selling it only in ranger rovers in Europe. It is built in the same plant that is building the new superduty diesel. Yet Ford sold it's ranger rover division before they fully finished developing this engine. This is also the engine I refered to that Ford was going to put in the 2010 or 11 F-150.

Report: 2011 Euro Range Rover to get 4.4L diesel, the ex-F-150 engine? — Autoblog

Ford also makes at least 2 other diesels for cars and the Ford Ranger again for overseas. If they meet Europes emissions they should meet ours, but yet they have no plans to sell them here.

http://www.nextautos.com/first-look-europe’s-new-ford-ranger-may-give-us-a-glimpse-2011

http://www.ford.co.za/servlet/ContentServer?cid=1248849372092&pagename=Page&c=DFYPage&site=FMCSA

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/05/spied-ford-ranger-t6-global-small-pickup.html

 

[Ford850]

Why are so many of you waiting for that awesome small diesel that you hope will produce a couple hundred HP and 400tq for a $6000 premium? And you hope to get 25MPG using that diesel fuel that only costs 10% more than gas.
This gas engine will get low to mid 20's for MPG. It costs $750 more than the standard V8 engine, and runs on regular gas. And it produces 365HP and 420ft lbs of torque. The new technology is all going into gas engines and the small diesels are being left in the dust. You'll never recover the cost of a diesel engine since it uses more expensive fuel and gets similar milage. Now gasers are being rated with similar power too.

 

[LD1]

Why are so many of you waiting for that awesome small diesel that you hope will produce a couple hundred HP and 400tq for a $6000 premium? And you hope to get 25MPG using that diesel fuel that only costs 10% more than gas.
This gas engine will get low to mid 20's for MPG. It costs $750 more than the standard V8 engine, and runs on regular gas. And it produces 365HP and 420ft lbs of torque. The new technology is all going into gas engines and the small diesels are being left in the dust. You'll never recover the cost of a diesel engine since it uses more expensive fuel and gets similar milage. Now gasers are being rated with similar power too.

Diesel prices fluctuate. It wanst too long ago that gas was more expensive.

And I highly doubt that if this truck were sitting on the lot right next to an identical truck with a v8, that it would only be $750 more:confused2:

And since the big diesels are already knocking on the 25mpg door, I would expect a smaller, less powerful version to be over 30. And there is also something to be said for the longevity of a diesel compered to a gasser.

 

[JasG]

Why are so many of you waiting for that awesome small diesel that you hope will produce a couple hundred HP and 400tq for a $6000 premium? And you hope to get 25MPG using that diesel fuel that only costs 10% more than gas.
This gas engine will get low to mid 20's for MPG. It costs $750 more than the standard V8 engine, and runs on regular gas. And it produces 365HP and 420ft lbs of torque. The new technology is all going into gas engines and the small diesels are being left in the dust. You'll never recover the cost of a diesel engine since it uses more expensive fuel and gets similar milage. Now gasers are being rated with similar power too.

I have loved diesels since I was a small boy, probably being I was around earthmovers and farm equipment since birth. Yet now with all the emissions tech on a diesel I wouldn't want one of the new ones. For the past couple of years I couldn't understand why someone wouldn't make a turbo charged gaser so they could better use ethanol blended fuel. The ethanol would allow higher cylinder pressure and the milage loss of the ethanol to some degree could be recovered. A few places have experimented with using a diesel engine and converting it to run a gas for this reason. The problem is it won't run on even high octane gas without high ethanol.

That being said diesel still have advantages. Milage has suffered and engine life with EGR, but they still have a longer life than a gas engine and more torque. The current powerstroke is around 400 hp and 800 ft lbs of torque.

Another thing I don't understand is why only have 1 power rating on an engine. A friend of mine that is a diesel mechanic has an older dodge with a cummins that he has a programmer for. 5 different programs with different power settings. 2 settings are below factory hp and he claims about 28-30+ MPG with those 2 programs. The 3rd is about factory Hp but different settings so he is still getting better than stock MPG. The 2 higher settings he gets huge power gains and granted it does lower his MPG. Now if the aftermarket can make things like this, why can't an OEM? Even with big trucks, the same engine will have several power ratings and the only real difference is the program.

If I were to still want a diesel it would be a project truck. Take an old Cat 3126 or C7 and try and fit it into an older F-350.

 

[JasG]

And since the big diesels are already knocking on the 25mpg door, I would expect a smaller, less powerful version to be over 30. And there is also something to be said for the longevity of a diesel compered to a gasser.

What current diesel is getting over 20 MPG in a 3/4 or 1 ton truck in the real world? Before EGR, SCR and the prarticulate filters with a regeneration cycle maybe. I have many friends with 07 and newer diesels and none I know of them are over 18 and several are in the 12-14 range and many are not happy. These are Ford, Dodge and Chevy guys, some work there trucks, some do not. All have had older trucks that had better MPG than there current trucks. Some with tool bodys that there older trucks are in the 16-18 MPG range, the newer ones are around 9-10. Ford is just claiming to have "gotten back" some of the milage they have lost over the past few years with this newest engine.

Not to say some are getting better, but I don't know of any or have I been able to find any reading online in truck forum. We just went back with our work truck from diesel to gas after trying an 09 duramax for a couple of days and getting 15 MPG. We bought a chevy gas that we use to plow the parking lot and chase after parts. It gets over 10 with the plow on it and around 14 without.

 

[LD1]

I guess it depends on what is defined as current. But I have known several people with 03-06 dodge 3/4 tons with 5.9l cummins that all say they got better than 20. I dont know anyone with the new 6.7. But it seems between the big three that it is al about a HP war. And mileage is suffering. They are going the wrong direction if the "NEW" diesels are only getting 13-14mpg.

The thing about diesels is fuel=power. More fuel=more power.

I am sure most that own these 750HP deisels are NOT tied to a 20,000lb trailer ALL the time. Why do you need 750HP when you are snow plowing??? or just running to the store??? or pulling an empty trailer???

I know their are some aftermarket companies that make stuff, but forgive me as I am not "up" on diesels. But why can a MFG have different settings that the user can control??? Push buttons on the dash??? Like say 4 settings. 1 being LOW power and MAX ECONOMY and 4 being MAX POWER.