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[Don87]

I'll ask again because the question still hasn't been answered. If a truck jells up, and you do nothing to it other than swapping out the filters, what have you done to fix the problem?

If the ambient temperature hasn't changed, and the road speed of the truck hasn't changed, then as soon as the truck hits the road again, the same jelling will occur if "wind chill" is causing it. It makes no difference if it's tomorrow or next week, if it was "wind chill" that jelled the fuel, then "wind chill" will jell it again as soon as those same, (or more severe), "wind chill" conditions are re-created. What happens in your scenario if the truck jelled at 50 mph initially and you then swapped the filters, and when he hits the road again he ramps it up to 70 or 80 mph? Your "wind chill temperature" just took a significant nose-dive.

The last sentence in your quote is what this entire discussion is about in my opinion.



If fuel jells at "X" temperature, then that's it. That jelling temperature is actual. Wind chill isn't actual, and it's extremely easy to demonstrate. Take a fuel sample and set it on your hood or roof when the ambient temperature isn't cold enough for the fuel to jell. Then find a safe section of roadway and see if you can go fast enough to create enough "wind chill" for it to jell.



That's because, (no offense intended here), many examples are more along the lines of "it seemed like...."

For example, the first time you posted up about the truck jelling example, here's your exact quote:



This is your last post on the truck situation:



Notice any difference there? We went from a number or trucks that's too great to keep track of, to "the truck", and it "was 20 years ago when it happened".

You do exactly what the owner of the vehicle tells you to do. "The customer is always right".

You said earlier about changing filter location..............

When called out for 'road service' , on a tractor trailer............you do not change filter locations, the filters are put in place by the company that built the tractor trailer.

My boss did most of the road service, but, on that particular truck..........I went out the first time, and told the guy what was wrong. But he decided to argue, just as you are.

Then my boss went the second time.

And I'll say this one last time, there are numerous accounts of the wind having effects on vehicles throughout this thread.


So either you are calling a whole bunch or us liars..............or I dunno.


You believe anything you want, I personally don't care

But I will add one thing to the argument, global warming has been proven by science and physics also:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

 

[tungularafishcamp]

As a kid I remember going out to some lava tubes south of Klamath Falls. In 100+ degree heat, 20 ' underground with constant air flow moving thru the lava tube there was ice in the cave that stayed year round. While in the shade of the tube the air wasn't 100, it sure wasn't below freezing so how did the ice stay there year round if the wind chill didn't affect inatimate objects then??

Rick

 

[Mace Canute]

It must have been magic....yeah...that's it...magic...

 

[Don87]

As a kid I remember going out to some lava tubes south of Klamath Falls. In 100+ degree heat, 20 ' underground with constant air flow moving thru the lava tube there was ice in the cave that stayed year round. While in the shade of the tube the air wasn't 100, it sure wasn't below freezing so how did the ice stay there year round if the wind chill didn't affect inatimate objects then??

Rick

Dunno, but....

You show yourself as living in Alaska. Did you live near these 'tubes' and have the abitlity to access them everyday from May thru September?

Just sayin

But if you want go farther, let's bring Al gore into the equation since you want talk 'climate'.

In the year 2,000, Al, and his paid scientific crew, said that the UK would never see a white christmas again due to global warming.

But now back to the "magic" of the thread..........just because it didn't happen to you...........doesn't mean a thing in the real world.

I will stand by what I've said, because I've been there. Just as Revered Blair and others have attested to.

Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't change a thing.

Same with the 'global warming' hype bull pushed by crooked politicians and wannabe scientists.........real world experience and the 'ability' to 'understand' things can let you see the light of day...........even thru 'thick' glasses and hard heads.

 

[tungularafishcamp]

The lave tubes are in southern Oregon and the winters in that area do get a little cold but the summers are brutal but the ice stays in there all year even thru the hottest part of the summer with no melting, not magic but something to do with shade, and a constantly blowing wind and maybe a venturi effect thru the narrow tubes and just maybe the wind chill cooling below the ambient temperature.
And yes Mace I do believe in magic, and if you don't, come sit on my porch swing some morning before an easterly comes in, it will make a believer out of anyone.
Rick

 

[Don87]

The lave tubes are in southern Oregon and the winters in that area do get a little cold but the summers are brutal but the ice stays in there all year even thru the hottest part of the summer with no melting, not magic but something to do with shade, and a constantly blowing wind and maybe a venturi effect thru the narrow tubes and just maybe the wind chill cooling below the ambient temperature.
And yes Mace I do believe in magic, and if you don't come sit on my porch swing some morning before an easterly comes in, it will make a believer out of anyone.
Rick

I misunderstood your post apparently.(no offense was intended) I cannot explain the phenomenon, as I didn't know these caves existed until a few hours ago.

But one thing I know for sure is, Mother nature is what it is, and we just gotta deal with what she sends our way.

 

[Egon]

constantly blowing wind and maybe a venturi effect thru the narrow tubes and just maybe the wind chill cooling below the ambient temperature.

Evaporation, sublimation.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[JMynes]

I have a block heater and it works great. Even 15 minutes of plug-in time helps, but an hour is better.
I'm starting to think this thread is more about block HEADS than block heaters.

 

[BeeferMan]

"Wind chill" affects the rate at which an object will lose heat. Animate or inanimate, it doesn't matter. Typically wind chill is applied against living things where the rate at which they lose heat will affect how cold they feel. But it applies to any object. In will affect a vehicle (an inanimate object) that is producing heat, of course. "Wind chill" is utilized to remove heat from a vehicle's radiator faster - that's why a vehicle has a fan - to move air over the fins of the radiator. "Wind chill it", if you will...

But again I will state: wind chill will cool an object faster than still air by removing heat faster, but it will not ultimately cool that object to a lower temperature than the same temperature still air.

 

[brt]

While not a block heater, I came up with a great system for warming up the cab of a tractor or your truck. Put a small 110 volt space heater in the cab with a timer on it. Turn the heater to High and set the timer to turn on 1 hour before you normally leave in the morning or use the remote-controlled switch to turn it on. When you get to the vehicle it will have a warm cab, the windows will be defrosted, the lock won't be frozen and life will be good. I use it in a Jeep Wrangler so I have the roll bar to hang the heater from. Just make sure that you leave room around the heater so that it won't make something too hot.