$3.37 Gas & $3.58 Diesel - Thrilled.

[The Haymaker]

Elections have consequences.

 

[wedge40]

Say there Utah, klausb, how's that CNG working out as far as safety is concerned? Not long ago, here, a guy parked his CNG truck in his garage, whereupon it sprung a leak,...ignited and blew his whole house up and him too.

I would like to see the story behind this?

Wedge

 

[devildog1]

Gee you guys should see the prices of fuel here in N.Y. Diesel $3.76 @ Big truck stop, gas $3.36 @ Mobil , fuel oil $ 3.49 , that is as of today.Hey but don't forget $4.39 N.Y.S. state tax on one pagk of cancer sticks too.
DevilDog

 

[scott_vt]

But like many here on TBN, I wish we had more choice on diesel engines in our cars and at least our trucks. But not those big expensive 8 cyl diesels , I think a decent large four or small 6 cylinder diesel engine, in a reasonable priced pickup truck would get us 30 to 40 mpg and that would help our pocket books and our planet. Europe has all sorts of choice on engines but North America does not, because of ignorance in the marketplace about diesel engines.
!

Good Afternoon Jack,
Absolutely agree on the 4 and 6 cylinder diesels that europe have ! When my wife and I were in Ireland a few years back on vacation, we rented a diesel van that had to be getting 50 + per gallon. That thing was unbelievable on fuel, heck I thought the gage was broken the first couple of days...

 

[scoutcub]

What about anyone who draws a monthly pension check, 2.5% to 3.5% less because of a federal tax increase!! Has anyone else noticed??
DevilDog

Unfortunately, YES. My Federal taxes have more than doubled on my military pension. This is after they doubled last year.
And to add insult to injury, no cost of living raise in 2 years.....but the cost of gas and food are sure rising.......

thank you Washington!

 

[vaskeet]

Good Afternoon Jack,
Absolutely agree on the 4 and 6 cylinder diesels that europe have ! When my wife and I were in Ireland a few years back on vacation, we rented a diesel van that had to be getting 50 + per gallon. That thing was unbelievable on fuel, heck I thought the gage was broken the first couple of days...

Check out the european ford fusion 62 MPG Randy
Ford Fusion 1.4 TDCi Style + 5dr Diesel Estate Dealer

 

[TripleR]

Unfortunately, YES. My Federal taxes have more than doubled on my military pension. This is after they doubled last year.
And to add insult to injury, no cost of living raise in 2 years.....but the cost of gas and food are sure rising.......

thank you Washington!

Same here, my wife and I both took a hit on our pension/retirement checks.

 

[scott_vt]

Check out the european ford fusion 62 MPG Randy
Ford Fusion 1.4 TDCi Style + 5dr Diesel Estate Dealer

Good Afternoon Randy,
Thats impressive, thanks !

I gotta say its about time !

 

[klausb]

Say there Utah, klausb, how's that CNG working out as far as safety is concerned? Not long ago, here, a guy parked his CNG truck in his garage, whereupon it sprung a leak,...ignited and blew his whole house up and him too.

I've only heard of one issue and that was a guy filling his tank with his kids in the car. It leaked and the kids were passed out when he got done paying. He had done the conversion himself and it wasn't EPA certified. The EPA certified installations are actually safer than gasoline since they do not rupture in accidents. As for the guy with the truck that exploded, my guess is that he had a 3000 psi system and he had honed down the input nozzle to accept 3600 psi nozzles, filled cold, then moved his truck to the warm garage where the relief valve let gas out. I have never ever heard of an EPA certified car/truck have a problem. Also, the tanks and fuel system have to be inspected every three years to remain in service. And the new pumps that they have installed here in Utah made by ANGI are temperature compensated, so you can't overfill in cold that then gets warm. I would bet far more people have died from leaving their gasoline car running in a garage and them dying of CO poisoning,which is impossible in a CNG car. No CO. The air coming out of the exhaust is actually cleaner than the air going in in urban areas with poor air quality. It's amazing to look at the tailpipe. After 38,000 miles, you can run your finger along the inside of my car's tailpipe, and not even get any carbon. The oil lasts longer since there is no sludge and comes out looking like hney after 10,000 miles. The only downside is that the valves need to be adjusted every 30,000 miles and you have to change high and low pressure filters about every 15,000 to keep the injectors clean since you can get some oil in the CNG from the compressor. Here in Uta we have oil-less compressors at the public stations, so it is not an issue unless you home fill.

If you google safety of CNG cars, you will get a wealth of info showing that the safety is a non-issue.

safety of CNG cars - Google Search

This one explains it quite well:
http://www.cleanvehicle.org/committee/technical/PDFs/Web-TC-TechBul2-Safety.pdf

Data collected over time has demonstrated natural gas vehicles to be safe in actual operation. Based
on a survey of 8,331 natural gas utility, school, municipal and business fleet vehicles (NGVs) that
traveled
178.3 million miles:
• The NGV fleet vehicle injury rate was 37% lower than the gasoline fleet vehicle rate.
• There were no fatalities compared with 1.28 deaths per 100 million miles for gasoline fleet
vehicles The collision rate for NGV fleet vehicles was 31% lower than the rate for gasoline fleet vehicles
• The fleet of 8,331 NGVs was involved in seven fire incidents, only one of which was directly
attributable to failure of the natural gas fuel system.

 

[F1520]

Gee you guys should see the prices of fuel here in N.Y....

It doesn't help that NY has one of the highest diesel taxes in the country:

Gasoline, too.