Grab a big ole thermos of coffee and go for it.Thankks for the encouragement guys.I am going to get back out there and give it another try.this is a cherry tree (roughly 2 1/2 feet across).I have dug all the way around the stump and cut all the main roots with a chain saw.I would have thought the stump would at least move by now,but nothing.................maybe I need to go deeper.