Where do you draw the line between a garden tractor and a CUT?
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bluechip
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I know I am late to this discussion, and hate to go back to the beginning, but I have never seen an "official" guidline to classify these tractors. We have the ability to define that now right here on TBN. (those that dont follow these threads will just be out of the know).
My view on this, as it relates to todays products:
Garden tractor, is a heavier duty lawn tractor that has ability to add PTO driven equiment, other than mowing deck, (usually by belts off front of engine, but equipped with a clutch/pully arrangement to allow say, a rear mounted roto tiller. Normall on fabricated (stamped or welded, as opposed to cast iron) frame.
Sub Compact is a still heavier duty Garden tractor, with permanantly installed PTO and 3 point hitch but typically will still on fabricated frame connecting the engine, transmission and/or rear axle/transaxle together.
CUT to me is a small tractor where the engine, transmission and rear axle make the backbone of the tractor, generally cast iron, other than weldments used possibly to attach the front axle, loader, ROPS etc. Generally tractors that fall under the Untility tractors that I believe have industry accepted classificaitons, although I confess I do not remember the break points on those.
Really an of these could be built with gas or diesel engines, to me that alone wouldn't change the classification.
My view on this, as it relates to todays products:
Garden tractor, is a heavier duty lawn tractor that has ability to add PTO driven equiment, other than mowing deck, (usually by belts off front of engine, but equipped with a clutch/pully arrangement to allow say, a rear mounted roto tiller. Normall on fabricated (stamped or welded, as opposed to cast iron) frame.
Sub Compact is a still heavier duty Garden tractor, with permanantly installed PTO and 3 point hitch but typically will still on fabricated frame connecting the engine, transmission and/or rear axle/transaxle together.
CUT to me is a small tractor where the engine, transmission and rear axle make the backbone of the tractor, generally cast iron, other than weldments used possibly to attach the front axle, loader, ROPS etc. Generally tractors that fall under the Untility tractors that I believe have industry accepted classificaitons, although I confess I do not remember the break points on those.
Really an of these could be built with gas or diesel engines, to me that alone wouldn't change the classification.
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I read several pages of this thread and then jumped to the end. What I consider with naming conventions is what the title is describing. When you say "lawn tractor" or "garden tractor", you are describing a job that is done by a tractor. When you say "UT" "CUT" or "SCUT", you are describing the tractor and it's relation to a hierarchy of size/features. I think saying something is a garden tractor and not a CUT is really like comparing apples to apples. It's kinda like asking if apples are fruit or food? The answer may be yes for both.
Okay, that's all the obfuscation I can come up with.
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Okay, that's all the obfuscation I can come up with.
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Wyobuckaroo
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Have not read all the posts in this thread.
Not going to. Several of the ones I did read were just people sinking there fangs into the next person. Don't care for that. A waste of time.
Do have to add though.......
At one time, tractors like the N series, JD smaller than an A, Farmall Cub, A, B, and maybe C, and several other brands about this size and hp, were considered
"chore" tractors.
That designation seemed to come about after things like the Farmall H, M, JD A, B, and brands in that size, hp, weight category came out.........
Things change
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Not going to. Several of the ones I did read were just people sinking there fangs into the next person. Don't care for that. A waste of time.
Do have to add though.......
At one time, tractors like the N series, JD smaller than an A, Farmall Cub, A, B, and maybe C, and several other brands about this size and hp, were considered
"chore" tractors.
That designation seemed to come about after things like the Farmall H, M, JD A, B, and brands in that size, hp, weight category came out.........
Things change
KnowwhatImean
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I read several pages of this thread and then jumped to the end. What I consider with naming conventions is what the title is describing. When you say "lawn tractor" or "garden tractor", you are describing a job that is done by a tractor. When you say "UT" "CUT" or "SCUT", you are describing the tractor and it's relation to a hierarchy of size/features. I think saying something is a garden tractor and not a CUT is really like comparing apples to apples. It's kinda like asking if apples are fruit or food? The answer may be yes for both.
Okay, that's all the obfuscation I can come up with.
Adding to Jim's obfuscation, I can obamulate even further. I don't draw a line at all, I just get on it and use it.
Baucom
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Well...
Is the obvious intent of it's design to excel at gardening, finish mowing, & landscape maintenance? Is it built compact and low to the ground to make maneuvering around landscaping and under tree canopies easier? If so, then it's a garden tractor. If not, but it's still too light for field work, like haying, then it's a CUT.
I have a MF 2823 garden tractor, but really it's just a big, nice, lawn mower. It could break ground for a garden, but that task is definately an afterthought. I tried to buy a sleeve hitch for it from my local dealer--after a couple of days they called me back to say they couldn't get one. Really, 90%+ of the machines advertised as garden tractors, aren't; they're just lawn mowers with large tires for a smoother ride and better traction/hill-climbing ability, and a beefed up transmission so they can pull a larger aerator or heavier cart.
Is the obvious intent of it's design to excel at gardening, finish mowing, & landscape maintenance? Is it built compact and low to the ground to make maneuvering around landscaping and under tree canopies easier? If so, then it's a garden tractor. If not, but it's still too light for field work, like haying, then it's a CUT.
I have a MF 2823 garden tractor, but really it's just a big, nice, lawn mower. It could break ground for a garden, but that task is definately an afterthought. I tried to buy a sleeve hitch for it from my local dealer--after a couple of days they called me back to say they couldn't get one. Really, 90%+ of the machines advertised as garden tractors, aren't; they're just lawn mowers with large tires for a smoother ride and better traction/hill-climbing ability, and a beefed up transmission so they can pull a larger aerator or heavier cart.
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Threads like this makes me wonder if the O.P is just going for "replies" on there easily arguable posts..... Must have been a member of there schools debate team also.
I know some people just like to fully outfit there, as I call them riding LAWN mower with there completely AD-ON belt-driven tillers, snow blowers and such with the AD-ON front/rear implement lift equipment that does not come standard with the riding lawn mower, thus the more evolved garden 'tractor' is born. To me, that is still not close to a CUT.
JD had a system, chart, rating, whatever, when I bought the 790 that was based on 'acres of ground' to size/hp for there compact/utility tractors for wich help the customer choose the rite size tractor.
Did not see any lawn/garden tractors in that 'acres' rating, but a few cuts
SO... I agree with JD's 'acres' rating, size and standard equipment available with the tractor make it, well... a tractor. Something not found on standard garden TRACTORS
I know some people just like to fully outfit there, as I call them riding LAWN mower with there completely AD-ON belt-driven tillers, snow blowers and such with the AD-ON front/rear implement lift equipment that does not come standard with the riding lawn mower, thus the more evolved garden 'tractor' is born. To me, that is still not close to a CUT.
JD had a system, chart, rating, whatever, when I bought the 790 that was based on 'acres of ground' to size/hp for there compact/utility tractors for wich help the customer choose the rite size tractor.
Did not see any lawn/garden tractors in that 'acres' rating, but a few cuts
SO... I agree with JD's 'acres' rating, size and standard equipment available with the tractor make it, well... a tractor. Something not found on standard garden TRACTORS
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I have a 27hp garden tractor that could fit in the bucket of my 40hp CUT? (nh tc40da) . At my house they are called the little tractor and the big one. They both have there place. Heck I used the mower only once last year. Horses do a great job on keeping up with the grass and are eager mowers.
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What's in a name? It don't matter to me. I have owned a lot of 4 wheeled powered thing-a-majigs of all sizes that do all sorts of stuff and I call them tractors
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If Bird would'a posted this, we could'a said he came from a long line of chirpers...
Oh, and I got bad news, somebody's advertising 'yard tractors' here.. might have to start all over.
