Where do you draw the line between a garden tractor and a CUT?

   / Where do you draw the line between a garden tractor and a CUT? #101  
This thread is so funny! I read the entire thing.

It is valuable to distiquish so that new tractor buyers have an understanding of what they are getting and what it can do. It is valuable to have a common language so I can say to my friend, you would be best off with a SCUT or CUT rather than a lawn or garden tractor. If there is no common understanding of the language, then my advice is meaningless.

Example: I have a friend never lived on more than 1/3rd of an acre. He just bought a house on 22 acres of lawn, field and woods. And now he's asking about tractors and knows nothing about them. It's an important topic because my friend couldn't understand why the department store "tractors" were $2k and looked the same size as the similar "tractors" (actually SCUTs) that were 12K. He had no idea what a 3pt hitch or PTO was or what they could do and to him, the machines look the same. After explaining many differences to him I gave him the guidance below about what is what (before reading this thread). I purposly left horse power out of it because I think it has little to do with what category a tractor fits into anymore.

Lawn tractor - Light and primarily designed to mow lawns
garden tractor - heavier machine that can run some implements but doesn't have a standard style 3pt hitch / PTO.
SCUT - Low profile tractor with Cat 0 hitch and PTO or limited Cat 1. Rear tires < 3 ft tall.
CUT - Cat 1 hitch and PTO. Rear tires 3 - 4 feet tall
UT - Cat 2 hitch / PTO. Rear tires 4 - 7 feet tall
Large ag or row crop tractor - Cat 3 hitch / PTO. Alters the earths rotation when it moves.

As for the power tracs. They are wheel loaders - not tractors. Power trac just uses the term "tractor" so that potential tractor purchases will consider the power trac as an alternative. (certainly will consider one in the future but need to know if a PT-1460 can knock down a tree better than my 19 hp CUT)
 
   / Where do you draw the line between a garden tractor and a CUT?
  • Thread Starter
#102  
This thread is so funny! I read the entire thing.

It is valuable to distiquish so that new tractor buyers have an understanding of what they are getting and what it can do. It is valuable to have a common language so I can say to my friend, you would be best off with a SCUT or CUT rather than a lawn or garden tractor. If there is no common understanding of the language, then my advice is meaningless.

Example: I have a friend never lived on more than 1/3rd of an acre. He just bought a house on 22 acres of lawn, field and woods. And now he's asking about tractors and knows nothing about them. It's an important topic because my friend couldn't understand why the department store "tractors" were $2k and looked the same size as the similar "tractors" (actually SCUTs) that were 12K. He had no idea what a 3pt hitch or PTO was or what they could do and to him, the machines look the same. After explaining many differences to him I gave him the guidance below about what is what (before reading this thread). I purposly left horse power out of it because I think it has little to do with what category a tractor fits into anymore.

Lawn tractor - Light and primarily designed to mow lawns
garden tractor - heavier machine that can run some implements but doesn't have a standard style 3pt hitch / PTO.
SCUT - Low profile tractor with Cat 0 hitch and PTO or limited Cat 1. Rear tires < 3 ft tall.
CUT - Cat 1 hitch and PTO. Rear tires 3 - 4 feet tall
UT - Cat 2 hitch / PTO. Rear tires 4 - 7 feet tall
Large ag or row crop tractor - Cat 3 hitch / PTO. Alters the earths rotation when it moves.

As for the power tracs. They are wheel loaders - not tractors. Power trac just uses the term "tractor" so that potential tractor purchases will consider the power trac as an alternative. (certainly will consider one in the future but need to know if a PT-1460 can knock down a tree better than my 19 hp CUT)

Thanks for your input, when I started this thread I intentionally did so to provoke controversy and the variety of opinions presented surprised me...I have gone back and reread the entire thread a few times and want to say "thanks" to all those who contributed.
 
   / Where do you draw the line between a garden tractor and a CUT? #103  
I think Gladehound did a bang up job on classifying the different categories. I think the 3 PH category is the defining factor in classificaton. Nothing with less than a Category 1 can be considered a real tractor. Cat 0 is definitely a garden tractor or maybe even a lawn tractor
 
   / Where do you draw the line between a garden tractor and a CUT?
  • Thread Starter
#105  
Mine has a full cat 1...

Time to start a NEW thread...

"Where do you draw the line between a SCUT and a CUT...."

Hint, hint, hint....

Think it will get up to 100 replies?
 
   / Where do you draw the line between a garden tractor and a CUT? #106  
Mine has a full cat 1...

Maybe we should start a thread on what the difference is between a cat. 1 hitch and a limited Cat. 1 hitch. :laughing:

I have never found a good definition for limited Cat 1. But I have seen the following three mentioned. 1. narrower spacing 2. limited lift capacity 3. limitations due to low ground clearance of the tractor.

The BX25 sits fairly low is rated at 670 pounds 24" behind the pins. So I think definition 2 or 3 may apply. I can think of a few implements that you have the hp to drive but couldn't lift (heavy duty snow blower comes to mind)
 
   / Where do you draw the line between a garden tractor and a CUT?
  • Thread Starter
#107  
How about a thread comparing gross hp to pto hp....? To be honest, I have never paid any attention to the difference between hitch categories. The only tractors I have ever used were my dad's 8N and Jubilee, and my JD. So I have never really had a reason to consider any other type of 3 point hookup instead of what those tractors use.
 
   / Where do you draw the line between a garden tractor and a CUT? #108  
Time to start a NEW thread...

"Where do you draw the line between a SCUT and a CUT...."

Hint, hint, hint....

Think it will get up to 100 replies?

I think more than 100...:confused2:
 
   / Where do you draw the line between a garden tractor and a CUT? #109  
Maybe we should start a thread on what the difference is between a cat. 1 hitch and a limited Cat. 1 hitch. :laughing:

I have never found a good definition for limited Cat 1. But I have seen the following three mentioned. 1. narrower spacing 2. limited lift capacity 3. limitations due to low ground clearance of the tractor.

The BX25 sits fairly low is rated at 670 pounds 24" behind the pins. So I think definition 2 or 3 may apply. I can think of a few implements that you have the hp to drive but couldn't lift (heavy duty snow blower comes to mind)

Yes, that's true...It does have limited lift capacity, but it has full cat one spacing. It also says in the specs that it is a regular cat one, so that's what I'm going with...;)
 
   / Where do you draw the line between a garden tractor and a CUT? #110  
Yes, that's true...It does have limited lift capacity, but it has full cat one spacing. It also says in the specs that it is a regular cat one, so that's what I'm going with...;)

Your tractor. Your choice. :thumbsup: It's a grey zone with many of these terms being made up by the manufacturers but not consistently followed from one manufacturer to another.

I would be interested in that thread on the diff between a SCUT and a CUT. I have CUT weight, CUT lift and SCUT HP. But with the gears I have, lack of hp never means can't, it just means slower.
 

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