Subsoiler success?

   / Subsoiler success? #11  
Don't claim to be a big deal farmer, but I am learning. Its nice to know that you know more about me than I do.

Last time I looked sub soiler's loosened up soil. Now they are used to make hard pan.
Disks use to be used to break up clods.
Moldboard were used for planting row crops. Now they bury rocks

Have to go up and get my propane tank filled today. I will stop by the farm that's on its 3rd generation of farming and tell him he's doing it all wrong.:D

What I DO know about you is your reading comprehension skills are apparently a little lax. NO ONE said subsoilers create hard pan. Where/Why you created THAT concept in your head, I have no idea....

Disc's work soil ON THE SURFACE, but the rolling effect, plus the weight of a tractor pulling it create compaction. There is the reason why disc's are being phased out of MODERN farming operations in favor of field cultivators, ect. Typically, a disc has to make multiple passes over a field to do it's job. Modern farmers are more likely to use an implement that does it's job in a single pass. (saves fuel AND compaction)

Plows break up the soil they turn, but compact soil UNDER that depth (with the sole of the plow and the weight of the tractor pulling the plow. This is why chisel plows, deep rippers, and even subsoilers were invented.

I grew up on a farm, OWN and operate a successful farm, and have a Masters Degree is Soil Science from Univ. of Kentucky School of Agriculture. In that "life", I've NEVER seen ANYONE "plant row crops" with a plow. That's a job for a PLANTER......

I'm 5th generation farmer, My son is 6th. (and grandson appears to be in line to be 7th generation!) So "3rd generation" doesn't particularly impress me. And what someone else MIGHT know does NOT cross over to YOUR knowledge level.....Your friend might know his business. Your knowing him doesn't give you his base of knowledge via process of osmosis.

"Art" spent most of his life selling farm equipment and has worked closely with farmers and equipment manufacturers. There's a good bit he can obviously teach you.

Maybe I DO know more about you than you realize......and MAYBE you need to realize just how much you DON'T know about the subject before you go off on a tangent about what you (think) you do know.

Have a good day. Hope you learn something today. There's a lot you need to know before attempting to play "expert" again. And don't get so irate when it's shown where your "opinion" is based on misconceptions and lack of knowledge in a given subject.
 
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   / Subsoiler success? #12  
That statement sure needs some explaining. I have never seen a farmer build up "Hard Pan" to plant. Moldboard plows and rocks Do Not get along very well. What differarence does it make whither or not he makes a living off his land. Pretty much his business in my opinion.:confused2:


I think you have cause and effect confused, no one wants to build up hard pan and that isn't what is suggested. Plowing with disks, tillers and moldboard plows causes the hardpan issue.

Running a subsoil plow lower than the hardpan helps to break it up. Using a chisel plow works well for shallow hardpan formed from disking.
 
   / Subsoiler success? #13  
Don't claim to be a big deal farmer, but I am learning. Its nice to know that you know more about me than I do.

Last time I looked sub soiler's loosened up soil. Now they are used to make hard pan.
Disks use to be used to break up clods.
Moldboard were used for planting row crops. Now they bury rocks

I can't see where anyone has said that sub soilers make hard pan?
 
   / Subsoiler success? #14  
Hey Steve...On your parabolic ripper, what's the thing on the chain for? Is it used to open up the soil a little more? I have never seen anything like that.
 
   / Subsoiler success? #15  
Ok- before I ask- lets say I am new and don't know nothing:) I have planted the same food plot for about 8years now and do what the soil tests say and I have noticed that over the last few years I am just not getting the results that I feel like I should be getting. I was told that discing or tilling twice a year has created a hard pan.

So how do I know this is true and how do I know how deep the "hard pan" is?

I have been farming in my dreams for years!!:thumbsup:

AndyG
 
   / Subsoiler success? #16  
Ok- before I ask- lets say I am new and don't know nothing:) I have planted the same food plot for about 8years now and do what the soil tests say and I have noticed that over the last few years I am just not getting the results that I feel like I should be getting. I was told that discing or tilling twice a year has created a hard pan.

So how do I know this is true and how do I know how deep the "hard pan" is?

I have been farming in my dreams for years!!:thumbsup:

AndyG


http://cropsoil.psu.edu/extension/facts/uc178.pdf
 
   / Subsoiler success? #17  
wow--$200- well I guess for that I can just buy one and get some extra sit time.. cant see spending that just to test 2 acres.. Well it did answer my question... thanks...

AndyG
 
   / Subsoiler success? #18  
Hey Steve...On your parabolic ripper, what's the thing on the chain for? Is it used to open up the soil a little more? I have never seen anything like that.


When you pull it beneath the surface it makea a small tunnel for water to run through and collect in.
 
   / Subsoiler success? #19  
Thanks Steve!...You never know what you may run across on these forums.
 
 

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