Ford V10 vs Ford Diesel

[toyfarm]

Chris, not sure who you are, but been here my whole life and know great amount of c-ville population! Nice to meet ya if haven't already! LOL

 

[tractorboy5500]

$14 per gallon x 4 (this is rotella bout cheapest there is) = $48.00 = tax bout $55 + oil filter (k&n 40.00 at o'reilly's) + tax so i guess that would be 88.00 +tax 6.00---for a total of 94.00!

yep your absolutely right, when i said about $100 i missed it by 6.00....sorry bout that!

If your paying $14 per gal X 4 it is $56 not $48, And I checked at walmart myself, and your prices are right on. and the K&N filter also. They do have other quailty filters for half the price but I woulnt tell anyone what filter to use if they are set on a certain brand. Anyway I can take my 08 Dodge 6.7L to the Dealership and have oil and filter changed and and greased for $63.85 with all of the junk mail coupon's I get in the mail. And I just bought 4 oil changes at one time for $189, but have to use them within 2 years, no problem for me. So I didnt mean like I was calling you a liar or anything, just hard to believe it cost that much for anyone to do things them selfs and not save any $ from having it done at any kind of shop.
But I think my oil changes are 5000 - 6000 miles apart, and are'nt gas engines 3500 - 4000 miles apart, so there is an extra oil change per two from the diesels engines. No matter what we buy and do it will cost us to play no matter what kind of toys we get. My toy collection seems to be getting bigger, just bought a New Holland hay baler, it has alot of moving parts and looks like $$$$$ if it breaks down. Good luck on your V-10's

 

[Diamondpilot]

$14 per gallon x 4 (this is rotella bout cheapest there is) = $48.00 = tax bout $55 + oil filter (k&n 40.00 at o'reilly's) + tax so i guess that would be 88.00 +tax 6.00---for a total of 94.00!

yep your absolutely right, when i said about $100 i missed it by 6.00....sorry bout that!

Its been years but I bought some filters at Advantage Ford and they were $25. As for the oil, I buy it when on sale for $10 a gallon or less. I now buy all my filters on line in bulk, maybe 100 filters at a time for all my different stuff. I paid less than $7 per filter for my PS 6.0 (Quaker State), and about $1.25 a piece for spin on filters for everything from my lawn mower to boat. These filters are all Quaker State, Fram, Pennzoil, ect.

I do agree with you though that a diesel truck is about twice as much to maintain as a gas truck.

Chris

 

[Lt CHEG]

I will not put anything in my truck other than a Ford filter, especially with the 6.4 Powerstroke. The correct Ford Motorcraft filter for my truck is about $20 at Walmart. Walmart also sells 5 quart jugs of Motorcraft 15W40 oil (rated CJ 4 for Turbo Diesels) for about $15 a piece. My 6.4 takes 15 quarts of oil so that works out to about $65 for an oil change if I do it myself. If I wanted to run Mobil 1 5W40, which I may end up doing it will run me about $100 for an oil change, but because I put so few miles on my truck, I change the oil every 3,000 miles or less (at least twice a year) I don't think I can justify the extra expense. I don't think that it's fair to characterize all oil changes as costing $100 for a diesel, when they can be done with OEM oil and filters for $65 or less.

 

[toyfarm]

If your paying $14 per gal X 4 it is $56 not $48, And I checked at walmart myself, and your prices are right on. and the K&N filter also. They do have other quailty filters for half the price but I woulnt tell anyone what filter to use if they are set on a certain brand. Anyway I can take my 08 Dodge 6.7L to the Dealership and have oil and filter changed and and greased for $63.85 with all of the junk mail coupon's I get in the mail. And I just bought 4 oil changes at one time for $189, but have to use them within 2 years, no problem for me. So I didnt mean like I was calling you a liar or anything, just hard to believe it cost that much for anyone to do things them selfs and not save any $ from having it done at any kind of shop.
But I think my oil changes are 5000 - 6000 miles apart, and are'nt gas engines 3500 - 4000 miles apart, so there is an extra oil change per two from the diesels engines. No matter what we buy and do it will cost us to play no matter what kind of toys we get. My toy collection seems to be getting bigger, just bought a New Holland hay baler, it has alot of moving parts and looks like $$$$$ if it breaks down. Good luck on your V-10's

Now i feel like a donkey....showing the whole world my poor mathematic skills!
LOL:laughing: I may have had a few adult beverages before calculating that?

 

[Hematite]

Its been years but I bought some filters at Advantage Ford and they were $25. As for the oil, I buy it when on sale for $10 a gallon or less. I now buy all my filters on line in bulk, maybe 100 filters at a time for all my different stuff. I paid less than $7 per filter for my PS 6.0 (Quaker State), and about $1.25 a piece for spin on filters for everything from my lawn mower to boat. These filters are all Quaker State, Fram, Pennzoil, ect.

I do agree with you though that a diesel truck is about twice as much to maintain as a gas truck.

Chris

A diesel pickup IS more expensive to maintain but that was previously offset by the much lower fuel cost. Unfortunately, that changed drastically till now when Diesel fuel is somewhat more expensive than gas and is very likely to remain that way.

 

[Dmace]

A V10 may be attractive in it's fuel cost and maintenance but compare the fuel mileage while towing and you'll see where the diesel shines. With about 15k behind them our V10 F350 C-C gets about 6-8 mpg whereas the diesel trucks (Ford 6.4l and Dodge 6.7l) get 10-12mpg towing the same or more.

 

[Diamondpilot]

A diesel pickup IS more expensive to maintain but that was previously offset by the much lower fuel cost. Unfortunately, that changed drastically till now when Diesel fuel is somewhat more expensive than gas and is very likely to remain that way.

Yep. I have not bought a diesel truck since 2005 and have bought 2 gas trucks since that time. I seriously doubt I will buy another diesel truck due to the maintenance, fuel, and the gap being bridged with the gas trucks.

With these new gas engines making big torque at low rpms the gas trucks of today are making the same power as the diesels 12 years ago. Yes, the diesels are making more power today but do you really need it or just want it?

Chris

 

[tractorboy5500]

Yep. I have not bought a diesel truck since 2005 and have bought 2 gas trucks since that time. I seriously doubt I will buy another diesel truck due to the maintenance, fuel, and the gap being bridged with the gas trucks.

With these new gas engines making big torque at low rpms the gas trucks of today are making the same power as the diesels 12 years ago. Yes, the diesels are making more power today but do you really need it or just want it?

Chris

Not only do they make more power, people still go out of there way to install add-on's to make more power, Only thing I have done to mind is the Cold air intake, it help on milage a little but was a cheap investment. Maybe the gas engines will help bring down the cost of the Diesel trucks Yea right.

 

[Diamondpilot]

A V10 may be attractive in it's fuel cost and maintenance but compare the fuel mileage while towing and you'll see where the diesel shines. With about 15k behind them our V10 F350 C-C gets about 6-8 mpg whereas the diesel trucks (Ford 6.4l and Dodge 6.7l) get 10-12mpg towing the same or more.

While this is true what does the average owner spend with that weight behind it. Take my uncle for example. He has had 2 V-10 trucks. His current one is a F-350 SRW 2005 Supercab Short Bed 4x4 with 4.30 gears. Its his plow truck and tow rig. He puts 12,000 miles a year on it but only 500 miles a year are pulling a big load that a 1/2 ton could not. It averages 12mpg and like you said 8mpg pulling.

It just hit 50,000 miles last fall and he is still money ahead. Lets just say gas has averaged $3.50 over this time of ownership and lets say for argument sake he has 10,000 miles of towing at 8mpg and the other 40,000 miles at 12mpg. That would make his fuel cost during this time $16,042.

Now lets use my identical truck with a diesel. Its a 2006 but otherwise the same with the exception of the diesel engine, 3.73 gears, and 100# heavier GVWR which is offset by its weight. I average 17mpg tank to tank and about 12mpg pulling. Lets say diesel has average $3.75 during this period and lets say the miles driven empty/pulling are the same. This would make the total fuel cost for the time of ownership $11,948.

Yes, there is a $4,094 savings in fuel but there was a $7,000 difference in purchase price upfront for the diesel truck. I have said it before and will say it again that it take 85,000 miles or more to even come close to breaking even with a diesel truck. This holds true with the previous engine options but will it hold true with the new motors?

Chris