I'm sorry, but I don't see any evidence of anyone having been lax with safety. At least not within the link you provided. Do you have any more info?
xtn
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I'm sorry, but I don't see any evidence of anyone having been lax with safety. At least not within the link you provided. Do you have any more info?
xtn
BeeferMan
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Did not mean to imply that anyone was lax on safety in this case or if the equipment as inappropriate for the job at hand - that's being determined as we speak, I'm sure. And there's no way to be 100% safe. Just a reminder this is the type of accident that safety equipment is meant to prevent. People bypass, ignore and downplay the importance of safety devices all the time, myself included. When it's only your ***** on the line that's one thing, but...
Short Game
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The devices are fine, but not always needed. But you need them to conform to the regulation all the time. The regulation never sleeps.
It's who gets the regulating that bears watching. They'll get us all worked up about freedom to get us to vote for thems that'll do away with the regulatin', but it's the big contributors that will get the regulators off their backs, while the guy on the mower with no lawyers on retainer will get the hairy eyeball and the fines.
This is America. You're innocent until proven broke.
It's who gets the regulating that bears watching. They'll get us all worked up about freedom to get us to vote for thems that'll do away with the regulatin', but it's the big contributors that will get the regulators off their backs, while the guy on the mower with no lawyers on retainer will get the hairy eyeball and the fines.
This is America. You're innocent until proven broke.
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This is America. You're innocent until proven broke.[/QUOTE]
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soooooooooo very true
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soooooooooo very true
Short Game
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If you can't afford an attorney, we'll have one inflated for you.
BeeferMan
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Guess the guys at Massey didn't contribute enough...
MSHA - Performance Coal - Upper Big Branch Mine South Disaster Information Single Source Page
MSHA - Performance Coal - Upper Big Branch Mine South Disaster Information Single Source Page
Short Game
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Admittedly, it's a just little bit harder to get way with murder (at least every time). They can be happy to not be wearing orange jumpsuits.
Agreed.
But may I humbly propose that safety equipment is intended to REDUCE the frequency or severity of accidents; not prevent them altogether. Believing that the unexpected can be totally prevented is, in my opinion, overly optimistic.
xtn
Short Game
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Massey kept two sets of safety records in order to prevent federal inspectors from learning about the severe hazards in the Upper Big Branch mine that Massey officials already knew about. For its own needs, Massey had to keep a record of safety problems, malfunctioning equipment, maintenance needs and other operational details in the mine. But in a separate record book required by the federal Mine Health and Safety Administration and regularly reviewed by the MHSA, Massey officials systematically deleted any references to the dangers that they had observed first-hand.
In a perfect world, this would fill a few more orange jumpsuits. I have a feeling they've contributed enough to save their big fish from felony manslaughter charges.
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OSHA has a lot of power, make no mistake about it. They rarely just drive around looking for trouble. My experience is that they follow through on complaints, which could be from a disgruntal ex employee, the union complaining about a non union contractor, etc. But while they are driving from one place to another, they will often stop and write up anybody they see along the way. My experience is that just about any job site is subject to fines, because they can find something wrong.