Price Check Looking to trade my 3720 w/ 585 hrs

   / Looking to trade my 3720 w/ 585 hrs #21  
Ha Small world I am suposing you are the same GerogeC from the old Ford_diesel.com days Same attitude 10 yrs ago. Good to see you are still around.

Yah, I noticed the 'tude too. If actuals are too time consuming, howabout some "ballpark" numbers? Humor me, as I don't have an accountant.

I will offer the same numbers as Roy. 30-35% depreciation. I also think your wife may be smarter and nicer than you.:)
 
   / Looking to trade my 3720 w/ 585 hrs
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#22  
Yah, I noticed the 'tude too. I also think your wife may be smarter and nicer than you.:)

Did I miss something here?
I guess I did. Well Kyle, thank you very much for those nice comments. Thanks for the compliment on my wife. She is a pretty smart and intelligent woman.
Now, I guess I've somehow worn out my welcome on this site with a couple of questions, so thanks to all who have helped.
 
   / Looking to trade my 3720 w/ 585 hrs #23  
Sorry if you took it the wrong way. I was poking some fun at you after the other poster recognized you. You were on here seeking knowledge to bolster your plan which includes knowledge you already have and I was just asking for you to add some of your knowledge to this board to possibly help me and others. No harm, no foul?
 
   / Looking to trade my 3720 w/ 585 hrs
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OK, no problem. :)
First, I'm no accountant or a close to any sort of financial genius, so there may be members who may know much more about tax laws than I do.
I'm just an ordinary guy who owns a business and doesn't want to pay excess taxes if I don't have to.
A secion 179 is a simple tax deduction that uses property such as machinery, equipment, cars, trucks, any tangible equipment and fixtures that you use in business. With a 179, you can deduct the whole and entire expense in one single year, or part of it over 5 years (your choice depending on your tax planning).

For example, hypothetically, if you had a good year in business and made, say $100,000.00 in total taxible profit, and your tax bracket is 25%, you would pay 25K in taxes.
So if you buy something for lets say $20,000, you can deduct the entire 20K off of your yearly taxible profit to where your total taxible profit is now 80K. That means you would only pay 20K in taxes giving you a $5,000.00 in savings from the section 179. So if something has already been depreciated totally (179), sometimes it's a good idea to buy a new one to keep up with real market depreciation of the equipment. Hypothetically, the tractor I am looking to trade is worth in Roys opinion depreciated 35% of what I paid for it So using 28K, my tractor should be worth $18,200 on a new one. Lets say I pay 12K in trade and write it all off this year, and using a hypothetical 25% bracket, I gain $3,000.00 in tax deductions on 12K. It costs me 9K to move up 7 years in tractor age. So then the question is "Is it worth it". Maybe yes, and maybe no depending who you ask.

The thing where people get carried away is that if your business is solid, you will (hopefully) have the same tax problem next year. If you deduct the entire amount in one year, there is nothing left to deduct from next years tax liability, and you may still have a few years of payments on the investment. So it's always best to either need the investment or at least keep up with actual depreciation of the merchandise you are buying.
So, buying Hummers to save on taxes is a pretty stupid idea, unless you are making money to burn and can afford it..

The other thing is that "business" loan interest is also tax deductable, so if you borrow the money, at least you get to write that off each and every year against your total yearly profit. That's why businesses always borrow.

Also remember for those who do not own a business and can't get the interest write off, it's a better deal to borrow the money for any purchase like a car or anything you can't write off from your home's equity. If you have home equity, use that route to borrow because it then becomes tax deductable.
The way our politicians burn through our hard earned money with little thought towards the people like us who actually pay their bills, it becomes even more important to hold on to every cent we make, or get the rightful credits for our spending..
 
   / Looking to trade my 3720 w/ 585 hrs #25  
how can a "toy" used to mow 8 acres of lawn, be deducted as a business expense?
 
   / Looking to trade my 3720 w/ 585 hrs #26  
GeorgeC pardon me but I recognized the tone of your posts from Ford-diesel.com days and assumed it was the same person...no harm buddy how about some pics of the 3720 if you are interested in selling I for one am in the market for a new tractor hence why I'm reading and learning.:cool:
 
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how can a "toy" used to mow 8 acres of lawn, be deducted as a business expense?

I buy it through my business. I use it there for mowing also, as well as FEL'ing.
Same way that one buys a vehicle through their business.
There is nothing wrong buying and enjoying your equipment. It doesn't mean that it won't serve a useful business purpose, as well as a source of pride. Either way, it's not up to the IRS to make your equipment choices. You can buy an earth mover to landscape around your business mail box post if you want. Look at some of the truckers out there who spend thousands of deductable dollars on stainless and chrome, along with performance parts for their rigs..
Again, it's not the IRS's call for you to buy a 200K Peterbilt to tow an empty flatbed, as long as you are in the trucking biz..


You can also deduct personal mileage from a personally registered vehicle that a person uses for business use. Again, there are a few ways to get honest deductions, but which deductions apply and their strategy is where your accountant comes in.
 
   / Looking to trade my 3720 w/ 585 hrs
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GeorgeC pardon me but I recognized the tone of your posts from Ford-diesel.com days and assumed it was the same person...no harm buddy how about some pics of the 3720 if you are interested in selling I for one am in the market for a new tractor hence why I'm reading and learning.:cool:

Can do as soon as I talk my son into taking some pics.
 
   / Looking to trade my 3720 w/ 585 hrs #29  
one note on the tax ramifications...my wife is an accountant, we both own business's...if you sell a piece of equipment within the five years, than the sale price goes back as income somehow, I know I ticked her off last year because I did that...
 
   / Looking to trade my 3720 w/ 585 hrs #30  
The way our politicians burn through our hard earned money with little thought towards the people like us who actually pay their bills, it becomes even more important to hold on to every cent we make, or get the rightful credits for our spending..

You can say that again...
And a BIG THANKS for posting about this for those tax dummies like me.:thumbsup:
 

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