Preventing tractor back flip

   / Preventing tractor back flip #322  
The first time I walked down the dock at Ballast Point in '65, there was a crap-load of diesel boats tied up to the two tenders. I hadn't been to Sub School. One day they called everyone in Shop 67 in and asked if anyone wanted to go on the boats? Two of us were ignorant enough to raise our hands. A week later I was headed to Westpac and an education on Murphy's Laws. But at least I wasn't a skimmer anymore.

That reminds me of a joke. Two sailors were at a bar, a drinking. One was serving on a frigate and the other was serving in a sub. They talked and found out where the other was serving. The frigate seaman asked if the sub guy knew he was a bubblehead. The sailor on the sub shook his head yes and said, "we also have a name for surface ships.......................targets".
hugs, Brandi
 
   / Preventing tractor back flip #323  
Interesting debate folks, I dont have an opinion just a question.

I pull/push depending on the tide skiffs regularly up and down the beach. When I have to pull I do it from the front with the tractor in reverse as the downward pull from the tractor to the boat tends to pull the bow down and the tractor digs in. With the boat attached to the bucket or forks I just back up til I lose traction and then use the bucket curl to gain a few feet hit reverse and uncurl the bucket and so on up the beach.

In the previous posts whenever pulling by the front was mentioned it was said that it would damage the tractor. So am I damaging my tractor even with the bucket curl doing most of the work?

Rick

I liked your joke Brandi!
 
   / Preventing tractor back flip #324  
Interesting debate folks, I dont have an opinion just a question.

I pull/push depending on the tide skiffs regularly up and down the beach. When I have to pull I do it from the front with the tractor in reverse as the downward pull from the tractor to the boat tends to pull the bow down and the tractor digs in. With the boat attached to the bucket or forks I just back up til I lose traction and then use the bucket curl to gain a few feet hit reverse and uncurl the bucket and so on up the beach.

In the previous posts whenever pulling by the front was mentioned it was said that it would damage the tractor. So am I damaging my tractor even with the bucket curl doing most of the work?

Rick

I liked your joke Brandi!

Thanks Rick.:)
hugs, Brandi
 
   / Preventing tractor back flip #325  
Interesting debate folks, I dont have an opinion just a question.

I pull/push depending on the tide skiffs regularly up and down the beach. When I have to pull I do it from the front with the tractor in reverse as the downward pull from the tractor to the boat tends to pull the bow down and the tractor digs in. With the boat attached to the bucket or forks I just back up til I lose traction and then use the bucket curl to gain a few feet hit reverse and uncurl the bucket and so on up the beach.

In the previous posts whenever pulling by the front was mentioned it was said that it would damage the tractor. So am I damaging my tractor even with the bucket curl doing most of the work?

Rick
No. Use of loader hydraulics is very low impact and you are doing it stationary to boot. Thread talk about pulling from the front is talking about a tractor frame connection, which could be a problem if the pull involved some jerking going backward. Loader pulls load the front axle a lot, but your scenario sounds benign ... lo angle, smooth, mostly stationary, etc:thumbsup:
larry
 
   / Preventing tractor back flip #326  
Interesting debate folks, I dont have an opinion just a question.

I pull/push depending on the tide skiffs regularly up and down the beach. When I have to pull I do it from the front with the tractor in reverse as the downward pull from the tractor to the boat tends to pull the bow down and the tractor digs in. With the boat attached to the bucket or forks I just back up til I lose traction and then use the bucket curl to gain a few feet hit reverse and uncurl the bucket and so on up the beach.

In the previous posts whenever pulling by the front was mentioned it was said that it would damage the tractor. So am I damaging my tractor even with the bucket curl doing most of the work?

Rick

No, you surely won't flip your tractor (which is what this thread is discussing).
As long as you distribute that load across the bucket/loader frame, you shouldn't hurt your tractor or loader.
 
   / Preventing tractor back flip #327  
Since we're back to the effect of pulling from the front and the argument that the front frame is not as solid as the rear axle assembly, I had a chance to inspect a B21 and the front frame runs all the way back to the same casing that supports the rear axle assembly and it is secured with the same amount and size of bolts so there is virtually no difference when pulling from the front frame.
However I realize not all tractors are built this way.
 
   / Preventing tractor back flip #328  
...the sub guy knew he was a bubblehead.

We chased that bubble like our lives depended on it. Wanna try it? :)

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So am I damaging my tractor...?

I pretty much destroyed a front drive, but I was both lifting and pulling backwards on what turned out to be a nearly immovable load to the point where only the front wheels had any traction. It was a learning experience. $2000 and a lot of hours of OJT. I can tell you it was a loud noise when all those parts broke at once. Just look at the difference in the sizes of your front and rear components and act accordingly.

As long as the pull is straight, using that bucket like a fishing rod on a halibut is a technique I use often.
 
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   / Preventing tractor back flip #329  
We chased that bubble like our lives depended on it. Wanna try it? :)

Short Game,
I think you missed the point of the joke. I was not slamming submariners. Maybe I wrote the joke wrong.

Anyway, you image reminds me of the main wheel wells of our Boeing 737s.:thumbsup:
hugs, Brandi
 
   / Preventing tractor back flip #330  
Short Game,
I think you missed the point of the joke.

Oh no, not for a second. Proud to have been a bubblehead/squid/sewerpipe sailor, whatever. Like we would say to anyone in the crew who might ping on us, "you can't get to me, I'll kill you first!"

Anyway, I thought you'd like to see the bow and stern planes controls. The guys whose job it was to chase that bubble were the planesmen. The bubble gauge Inclinometers could lose their bubbles if full scale was exceeded (not usually a happy situation).

I liked the joke and it didn't make me "lose my bubble."

However, these guys did lose the bubble:

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USS Pickerel (SS-524) surfacing at a 48 degree up angle, from a depth of 150 feet, during tests off the coast of Oahu, Hawaii, 1 March 1952.

The way I heard it, the skipper knew his surface was being filmed, so he thought he'd give 'em a show. Nearly lost the boat going back down past test depth, stern first. Did lose his commission, so the story goes.
 
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