Build your own roof trusses -advice ?

   / Build your own roof trusses -advice ? #61  
Most of the structural codes and standards are there because inferrior methods and techniques have caused failures many leading to injury or death.

If someone builds something that does not meet building code standards and later sells it they can still be held liable in some states.

I agree with what you are saying and as I said before I'm not trying to start a pizzing match. But let me ask you this.....didn't these standards all come about by someone's trial and error methods from days past. Also I might point out that even some of the most engineered projects that have been built with hundreds of hours of engineers drawings and inspections out of the bazoohoo have had failures as well.

It's hard to tell what someone is capable of doing on a forum like this and all I am saying is some people can and will build things that will stand the test of time and it's not fair to just blow off someone because they choose to do their own thing. Everyone here knows what they have the tools and skills to do and if it wasn't for people that ask these seemingly (to some folks) dumb questions what point is it to even have a site such as this? There is nothing wrong with adding a word of caution to a reply, especially when it comes to a truss system or something to the like. But there are thousands, maybe millions of old barns and buildings that were built without the blessing of a slick and polished engineer on the job that were built 50 or 100 years ago that are still rock solid. Just saying......
 
   / Build your own roof trusses -advice ? #62  
But let me ask you this.....didn't these standards all come about by someone's trial and error methods from days past.

Yes! Trial-and-error, plus established calculations/formulas. Why would you want to go thru trial-and-error again when it's already been done & is now well documented by registered engineers that are ready & willing to sell you their knowledge & design along with the actual trusses at a price that is less than you can build the trusses for yourself?

Also I might point out that even some of the most engineered projects that have been built with hundreds of hours of engineers drawings and inspections out of the bazoohoo have had failures as well.

Sure they have, but does that mean you want to toss out engineering altogether & go with the ol' best-guess, I-done-it-this-way-for-a-long-time-so-it-must-be-good-enough method?

We're talking about very, very heavy loads directly over peoples' heads. Why gamble?!
 
   / Build your own roof trusses -advice ? #63  
didn't these standards all come about by someone's trial and error methods from days past.

Building codes are based on a set of engineering etc. standards.
Many new changes to building codes came after hurrican Andrew and not just in FL.

Building codes are in place to protect people, I hate to think what our roads and skys would be like if everything needed to build cars and airplanes could be found at home depot or lowes and there was no DOT police the practice.
 
   / Build your own roof trusses -advice ? #64  
Building codes are based on a set of engineering etc. standards.
Many new changes to building codes came after hurrican Andrew and not just in FL.

Building codes are in place to protect people, I hate to think what our roads and skys would be like if everything needed to build cars and airplanes could be found at home depot or lowes and there was no DOT police the practice.

I may be wrong, but i believe Southwest Airlines buys all their maint parts from home depot....:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:. I mean what do you want for $99 airfairs
 
   / Build your own roof trusses -advice ? #65  
Yes! Trial-and-error, plus established calculations/formulas. Why would you want to go thru trial-and-error again when it's already been done & is now well documented by registered engineers that are ready & willing to sell you their knowledge & design along with the actual trusses at a price that is less than you can build the trusses for yourself?



Sure they have, but does that mean you want to toss out engineering altogether & go with the ol' best-guess, I-done-it-this-way-for-a-long-time-so-it-must-be-good-enough method?

We're talking about very, very heavy loads directly over peoples' heads. Why gamble?!

I don't know about where you are but here that is not the case. I have plenty of time and the tools needed to do the work so with that in mind, no I cannot go out and buy the truss for my building cheaper than I can build them myself. I priced them from 5 different places here and they all were within a few cents of each other. When asked what I was going to use them on all they asked for was the span, what if any overhang I wanted, the pitch, and how many I planned to use. Other than that it was pretty much cut and dried.

If you look at the finished product at all these places for the same 32' truss you find that they are all built different in some form or another. Some use 2x8 on the top and 2x4 on the bottom with 2x6 bracing. a couple used 2x6 for everything but for the most part 2x6 top with 2x4's every where else was the call of the day.

I know there are all kinds of different factors that go into these systems and every company has their own tooling, materials and work standards they go by but if the standards are so cut and dried and must be followed so closely how could all these guys come up with so many different variations of the same simple 32' span truss system and all be so closely priced?

As I said the vast majority of people will go out and have someone else build the barn and any good contractor with any sense will buy ready made truss from a reputable company just for the liability factor if nothing else. Also it is not cost effective for a builder to have a crew build the truss for a building because if it was he would have used the old tried and true rafter type building method to begin with. All the customer wants is a barn and if the builder can do the job for what the customer is willing to pay then everybody is happy.

On the other hand there are people that for one reason or another just like to do things themselves rather than have someone else come in and do it for them. For some it may be the money thing, for others it may just be they get joy out of taking the bull by the horns and making it happen on their terms and time frame.

The OP wanted a little helpful insight on his 40x50 barn and asked what I would call a dog gone good question because if the truth be known there are probably many people around here that have been faced with the same question. Some just want to learn about these things and others want to put their ideas to the test but for what ever the reason these kinds of questions do get asked all the time and from what I have seen these questions are hard to get reasonable answers for because of the far reaching effects of the internet. What will work in one place may not be right for another because of different wind and snow loads for the given area or other factors that come into play.

With all this in mind I would think that anybody that would be willing to tackle building a 40'x50' anything would have some basic knowledge of the task at hand and the tools to do the job effectively. All that is left is to fine tune the plan and ask questions of others that have either had this done or did this kind of work themselves so the plan can be implemented. To me a 40' span would probably be the limit that I would try and build myself and anything longer I probably would not try to bridge. After that there are really a lot of factors that come into play that would be hard to overcome and do yourself with any reasonable and effective amount of success. Deep down I think we all know our limitations of what we are capable of and I don't think it's wrong for someone to try and expand those limitations before he gets too old to enjoy his life's work.
 
   / Build your own roof trusses -advice ?
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#66  
Mx,
The project is actually 28x50, but all your comments still apply. Enjoyed reading the post and agree 110%.

Blueriver just built these trusses for his pole barn. They look better than most trusses I have seen manufactured. I would not be afraid to walk under these trusses anymore than any other truss. Just seems to be easy to convey a correct opinion by using the fear card.

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   / Build your own roof trusses -advice ? #67  
Just seems to be easy to convey a correct opinion by using the fear card.
Exactly what is a "correct opinion" ?

There is a big difference between being stubborn and prudent.
 
   / Build your own roof trusses -advice ?
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#68  
Exactly what is a "correct opinion" ?

There is a big difference between being stubborn and prudent.


Correct: conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate: a correct answer.

Opinion: a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

Just kidding. :)

Yes, I am stubborn and you'll probably be reading about a pole barn that fell on a bean counter from GA.

This is somewhat like buying eggs from the grocery store rather than having your own chickens. The FDA inspections are good and are needed for protecting the general public, but I will take my risk eating my own eggs.
 
   / Build your own roof trusses -advice ? #69  
This is somewhat like buying eggs from the grocery store rather than having your own chickens. The FDA inspections are good and are needed for protecting the general public, but I will take my risk eating my own eggs.

That is a great analogy.
 
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gabeancounter Social Circle ACE is a good place. Delt with them on lumber and other things good folks .
 

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