Anyone pull logs like this?

[davygp38]

What,never heard of ballast.

 

[LD1]

He could pull fewer logs and/or chain them below the axle. Nobody's said anything about the tractor being too small.

Chained below the axle he would have a hard time moving just half of what he has got there.

I agree with the others that I am NOT advocating it, but it is just the way it is done there. AND it is the way it was done here PRE-OSHA.

He apparently knows his machine VERY well and has it hitched to maximize pull, yet minimize flip. IF you notice, right when he is at the highest, he breaks traction and the dose comes down a bit, lifting the logs back up, increasing traction, nose rising until traction breaks again....over and over. Just inching them along until they free up.

Again, I wouldnt do it. I see the dangers. But we dont know the circumstances there.

 

[North Country]

Chained below the axle he would have a hard time moving just half of what he has got there.

Of course. But he does spend quite a while moving logs 50 ft. Take 1/2 twice; maybe it'll be faster and safer...

He apparently knows his machine VERY well and has it hitched to maximize pull, yet minimize flip. IF you notice, right when he is at the highest, he breaks traction and the dose comes down a bit, lifting the logs back up, increasing traction, nose rising until traction breaks again....over and over. Just inching them along until they free up.

Only in the latter part of the clip. In the beginning, it's feathering the power (operator skill) that brings the nose down. The tires don't break traction. I'm not sure how you come up with "hitched to minimize flip" - :laughing: it's about as far from that as you can get.

 

[BlacknTan]

He could pull fewer logs and/or chain them below the axle. Nobody's said anything about the tractor being too small.

I didn't say anyone said anything about anything...

Just my observation!

 

[DAY]

A bunch of armchair farmers, drinkin' and smokin' and eatin' Big Macs, while they talk about the health concerns of one man's logging techniques. . .( present company excepted, of course:laughing

 

[JB4310]

Chained below the axle he would have a hard time moving just half of what he has got there.

I agree with the others that I am NOT advocating it, but it is just the way it is done there. AND it is the way it was done here PRE-OSHA.

He apparently knows his machine VERY well and has it hitched to maximize pull, yet minimize flip. IF you notice, right when he is at the highest, he breaks traction and the dose comes down a bit, lifting the logs back up, increasing traction, nose rising until traction breaks again....over and over. Just inching them along until they free up.

Again, I wouldnt do it. I see the dangers. But we dont know the circumstances there.

Exactly, he knows alot of things that he probably doesn't even know he knows, about geometry, physics etc. I call that a highly skilled operator that grew up in the seat of a tractor, using every bit of the machines capability. We may criticise, but Could any of us do that with any degree of confidence.

I agree it could be done easier/slower but alot of work is hard on us or our equipment, just a different perspective.

We use to build bridges, tunnels and sky scrapers in a year or two. now it take a decade just to plan them.

JB

 

[LD1]

A bunch of armchair farmers, drinkin' and smokin' and eatin' Big Macs, while they talk about the health concerns of one man's logging techniques. . .( present company excepted, of course:laughing

BINGO

Exactly, he knows alot of things that he probably doesn't even know he knows, about geometry, physics etc. I call that a highly skilled operator that grew up in the seat of a tractor, using every bit of the machines capability. We may criticise, but Could any of us do that with any degree of confidence.

I agree it could be done easier/slower but alot of work is hard on us or our equipment, just a different perspective.

We use to build bridges, tunnels and sky scrapers in a year or two. now it take a decade just to plan them.

JB

Another Excellent post

"hitched to minimize flip" - :laughing: it's about as far from that as you can get.

You took that out of context. I said MAXIMIZE pull while MINIMIZING flip.

Using your logic, He shouldnt pull ANY logs. That is the only way to be sure he wont flip as a result.

He is hitched in a way that allows him to still accomplish a great deal of work, yet minimize the risk while still being able to do that work.

And sure, we can all easially say that taking half that load and we whould have been done in 2 trips quicker, BUT, we dont know the whole situation. It looks to me like it is just that ONE tough spot on the trail. Once he got past that, he was good. Maybe those logs are comming from 1/2 mile back in the woods, and maybe they still have another 1/2 mile to go. In that case, spending a little extra time getting the MOST logs at once over that "hump" in the trail may indeed be faster overall.

Maybe he has a deadline? Maybe he has a quota that needs met? maybe he makes more for more logs pulled? He has to make a living too.

 

[BlacknTan]

A bunch of armchair farmers, drinkin' and smokin' and eatin' Big Macs, while they talk about the health concerns of one man's logging techniques. . .( present company excepted, of course:laughing

Egg- zactly!! LOL

 

[TripleR]

BINGO



Another Excellent post



You took that out of context. I said MAXIMIZE pull while MINIMIZING flip.

Using your logic, He shouldnt pull ANY logs. That is the only way to be sure he wont flip as a result.

He is hitched in a way that allows him to still accomplish a great deal of work, yet minimize the risk while still being able to do that work.

And sure, we can all easily say that taking half that load and we whould have been done in 2 trips quicker, BUT, we don't know the whole situation. It looks to me like it is just that ONE tough spot on the trail. Once he got past that, he was good. Maybe those logs are coming from 1/2 mile back in the woods, and maybe they still have another 1/2 mile to go. In that case, spending a little extra time getting the MOST logs at once over that "hump" in the trail may indeed be faster overall.

Maybe he has a deadline? Maybe he has a quota that needs met? maybe he makes more for more logs pulled? He has to make a living too.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[jenkinsph]

Now why would he want to post a video of a tractor pulling a few logs without anything special going on? If that were the case we wouldn't be discussing this.

 

[Gordon Gould]

Interesting opinions.

But why would a guy who needed to get logs out of the woods that bad have a camera man standing by? Makes me wonder what is going on behind those trees.

 

[TripleR]

Interesting opinions.

But why would a guy who needed to get logs out of the woods that bad have a camera man standing by? Makes me wonder what is going on behind those trees.

There are many things that people who are doing them seem mundane and commonplace, but apparently seem interesting and unbelievable to others. Cameras are now cheap enough for many people to have them for no special purpose, I keep one on my tractor as do many others. I have seen lots of You Tube posts of people plowing, tilling, disking etc., northing unusual to me, but someone must find them interesting.

 

[dbail]

this is why you don't lend your tractor out!!

 

[300UGUY]

The guy obviously knows what he is doing. Having said that, he must clang when he walks!!!

 

[SPYDERLK]

You need the front wheels in the air to get that load going w/2wd. He needed a little lower fixed hitch point.
larry

 

[forby]

As with many dangerous things........

Know your limit... feel free to walk up to the edge, hang your toes over the line, but never, never step all the way over.

This man seems to know his limits not to mention his tractor.

 

[Baby Grand]

I won't argue that the operator has great skill and seems to know his machine well. Well enough to know he needs a little front ballast, maybe?

But that would not be nearly as impressive, or camera friendly, or manly. Braying and bellowing and waving your sword in the air is all kind of lame when the horse has all 4 hooves on the ground.

His performance is impressive; his judgement, not so good.
IMHO, of course.

 

[Gordon Gould]

I am really surprised no one has mentioned that his maximum pull is when the front wheels just barely clear the ground. Going higher is counter productive because the torque required to hold it up gets less and less the higher he goes by the cosine of the angle he is at. When he reaches 90* he will have no pull at all the tractor will balance it self. If he applies torque over he goes.
So, even though it looks cool to get up in the air it does not help move the logs.

 

[JB4310]

I am really surprised no one has mentioned that his maximum pull is when the front wheels just barely clear the ground. Going higher is counter productive because the torque required to hold it up gets less and less the higher he goes by the cosine of the angle he is at. When he reaches 90* he will have no pull at all the tractor will balance it self. If he applies torque over he goes.
So, even though it looks cool to get up in the air it does not help move the logs.

I agree some of it is just showing off for the camera.
But I think that action is helping to get those logs moving, when he comes down, it's lifting and pulling the logs. I'm not sure front ballast is the answer.
It's that seesawing/ rocking action that is getting it done, with the weight of the front end coming down jerking those logs inch by inch til they break free.

If he had enough front ballast that the front end couldn't come off the ground, he might just spin his wheels, and he would have to unhook some of the logs.

Another thing to consider is I don't think that tractor has power steering, how much front ballast would you want on there especially in the woods.

JB

 

[crazyal]

Maybe he has a deadline? Maybe he has a quota that needs met? maybe he makes more for more logs pulled? He has to make a living too.

Maybe the tractor's owner will be back shortly. :laughing:

Before I owned much of anything that's how a friend would log (the front end wouldn't get that high unless his foot slipped off the clutch) with his father-in-law's 8N.

It's hard to watch a minute of video and understand exactly what's really going on. Maybe every load before that one went much better and the skid path is starting to get tough in that one spot and the next skid was only 2 or 3 logs. Maybe that's his old worn out tractor he doesn't care about and just thought he would play around. Maybe he just wanted to be the next YouTube star. Maybe he had a few too many and said "$5 says I can pull that."