Clutch Noise

[blueriver]

Any new information?

Yes .. they are saying now either Friday (11/11) or the following Monday when they go in. Said they want the parts all here... I told them I want to be there when she is split so I can see things first hand.

 

[blueriver]

I asked in an email what parts have been ordered ... the reply was

"I ordered the throw-out bearing, pressure plate, pto disk, clutch disk and pilot bearing in the event that I need them"

Guess they want to be prepared.

 

[blueriver]

Just got an email that says its about 40% split ... I'm heading over tomorrow to look things over.

 

[blueriver]

Just got an email that says its about 40% split ... I'm heading over tomorrow to look things over.

Just got back from the dealer. Throwout bearing is Bad.

I asked what caused the T.O. Bearing to fail. There was not enough freeplay in the pedal. If you recall after the clutch job was done last spring and a few hours into baling the shuttle quit shifting. I called from the field and he told me to adjust the freeplay until I got a smooth shift ... well I adjusted too far...long story short, because he told me to adjust it they are covering everything at no expense to me.

Just gotta appreciate a dealership like that. Here's a picture I took today.

 

[DavesTractor]

Just got back from the dealer. Throwout bearing is Bad.

I asked what caused the T.O. Bearing to fail. There was not enough freeplay in the pedal. If you recall after the clutch job was done last spring and a few hours into baling the shuttle quit shifting. I called from the field and he told me to adjust the freeplay until I got a smooth shift ... well I adjusted too far...long story short, because he told me to adjust it they are covering everything at no expense to me.

Just gotta appreciate a dealership like that. Here's a picture I took today.

Tell your friends and neighbors and help him sell a few, because he will end up eating the labor on this. Good of him to not blame you.

The key is to always have roughly an inch of freeplay as measured at the pedal, that way you know the TO bearing isn't riding on the clutch. Also there is a clutch pedal return spring up under the dash. They break, check it.

 

[blueriver]

Tell your friends and neighbors and help him sell a few, because he will end up eating the labor on this. Good of him to not blame you.

The key is to always have roughly an inch of freeplay as measured at the pedal, that way you know the TO bearing isn't riding on the clutch. Also there is a clutch pedal return spring up under the dash. They break, check it.

When I go to pick it up I am going to have them in detail show me this clucth freeplay setting.

Well I'll Just tell everyone I know and even the internet... Agri Products, Ardmore Oklahoma ... Scott Mason is the man to talk with.

Lets don't forget about Branson Tractor themselves ... They covered the parts and labor for the clutch the first go around.

In my book thats a winning combination.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Just got back from the dealer. Throwout bearing is Bad.

I asked what caused the T.O. Bearing to fail. There was not enough freeplay in the pedal. If you recall after the clutch job was done last spring and a few hours into baling the shuttle quit shifting. I called from the field and he told me to adjust the freeplay until I got a smooth shift ... well I adjusted too far...long story short, because he told me to adjust it they are covering everything at no expense to me.

Just gotta appreciate a dealership like that. Here's a picture I took today.

Im not sure, but it seems to me that a dragging clutch like you had may have been dragging because they didnt adjust the fingers to operate the pressure plate evenly. Seems this would cause more lift to be necessary as well as cause a rotating load point on the throw out. ... not good in either case.
larry

 

[blueriver]

Im not sure, but it seems to me that a dragging clutch like you had may have been dragging because they didnt adjust the fingers to operate the pressure plate evenly. Seems this would cause more lift to be necessary as well as cause a rotating load point on the throw out. ... not good in either case.
larry

I am not good with things I don't know about and clutches are one of them. From my understanding the clutch has no "fingers" to adjust... I'm confussed with the following .... When I got it back after the clutch install in the spring The clutch pedal was very responsive or in lay terms ... push it to the floor, shift and when I released it WOW within an inch of releasing the tractor was moving.

My impression of freeplay is the other way. When you first step on the pedal and before you feel some resistance it should move about 1" and then travel to the floor and then when you release the pedal ... what maybe 3" or so before the unit engages to move?

Please correct me ... I know they are going to set the freeplay for me.

 

[Zork]

@ BlueRiver- Free play is the distance the clutch pedal, linkage, and throw-out bearing move before the throw-out bearing comes in contact with the pressure plate (generally, it is measured at the clutch pedal) I have never seen two clutches alike but I have seen many that were close in release and engagement heights. All clutches that I have seen which released early and/or engaged early (very close to the floor) had problems or failed relatively quickly.

Good Luck; don't ride the clutch; throttle down when possible and, tell everyone you know about how well you were treated!

 

[SPYDERLK]

I am not good with things I don't know about and clutches are one of them. From my understanding the clutch has no "fingers" to adjust... I'm confussed with the following .... When I got it back after the clutch install in the spring The clutch pedal was very responsive or in lay terms ... push it to the floor, shift and when I released it WOW within an inch of releasing the tractor was moving.

My impression of freeplay is the other way. When you first step on the pedal and before you feel some resistance it should move about 1" and then travel to the floor and then when you release the pedal ... what maybe 3" or so before the unit engages to move?

Please correct me ... I know they are going to set the freeplay for me.

@ BlueRiver- Free play is the distance the clutch pedal, linkage, and throw-out bearing move before the throw-out bearing comes in contact with the pressure plate (generally, it is measured at the clutch pedal) I have never seen two clutches alike but I have seen many that were close in release and engagement heights. All clutches that I have seen which released early and/or engaged early (very close to the floor) had problems or failed relatively quickly.

Good Luck; don't ride the clutch; throttle down when possible and, tell everyone you know about how well you were treated!

blueriver, the fingers are part of the pressure plate assembly. The to bearing presses on them and they lift the actual pressure plate. In my mind, if the fingers are miss adjusted the plate wont rise evenly and thus the clutch is more likely to drag/engage early/etc. ... This would be harder on the throw out bearing too because the fingers would be pressing on the bearings face with much different forces and thereby tend to rock the bearing back and forth as the engine rotated.
larry