Labor Department bans children from driving tractors

[brin]

Here in Ontario, and much of Canada I believe, you're not allowed to drive ATV's or Jet Skis under 16. I know I'll take some heat for saying it, but I mostly agree with that, they're too fast and unstable for some kids and there have been a lot of young deaths to prove it. Tractors on the other hand should be left alone, they're a tool, and if treated with due respect, a fairly safe one. It's up to parents to educate kids on safe operation and make the judgment call for when they're ready.

LOL - Here is you first bit of heat... - I firmly believe it is up to parents as far as ATVs or Jet Skis or anything else...We simply cannot allow the government to get their foot any further in the door or we will all be slaves...We don't want a nanny state..and it is up to parents to use good judgement..in exercising their freedom in a free country...Just my opinion and I may well take some heat along with you ...:laughing:

 

[kiotiken]

LOL - Here is you first bit of heat... - I firmly believe it is up to parents as far as ATVs or Jet Skis or anything else...We simply cannot allow the government to get their foot any further in the door or we will all be slaves...We don't want a nanny state..and it is up to parents to use good judgement..in exercising their freedom in a free country...Just my opinion and I may well take some heat along with you ...:laughing:

There's a huge difference in peoples attitudes, generally speaking, between our two countries in what role government should play in society. I think government regulation is required in SOME situations, and having some regulations doesn't make us slaves to anybody, it makes us stronger.

Here's an example that's sure to get your blood a boiling and I'm sure put me in a little more hot water with my somewhat more conservative (good) neighbours to the south Canada avoided much of the economic turmoil of the past 3-4 years in part because we had stronger regulation in our banking sector. Some of those regulations made it harder and more costly for some to buy a house, but prevented a similar housing melt down as was, and still is, being felt there. Even if these regulations weren't necessary for EVERYBODY, they were for some people who, like it or not, need to be protected from themselves (and they were).

I don't think a 12 yr old kid should be given a 150 hp jet ski with no real instruction and be allowed to bomb down a lake or river at 70+ mph. It is dangerous to the kid as well as my kids who are also using the water. I know you're saying parents have a responsibility to provide that instruction, but we all know there are plenty of dead beat parents out there who don't. Even if they are given instruction, many kids just don稚 have to maturity to handle it.

I壇 tell you I believe in gun control too, but I don稚 dare open that can of worms:laughing:

 

[brin]

There's a huge difference in peoples attitudes, generally speaking, between our two countries in what role government should play in society. I think government regulation is required in SOME situations, and having some regulations doesn't make us slaves to anybody, it makes us stronger.

Here's an example that's sure to get your blood a boiling and I'm sure put me in a little more hot water with my somewhat more conservative (good) neighbours to the south Canada avoided much of the economic turmoil of the past 3-4 years in part because we had stronger regulation in our banking sector. Some of those regulations made it harder and more costly for some to buy a house, but prevented a similar housing melt down as was, and still is, being felt there. Even if these regulations weren't necessary for EVERYBODY, they were for some people who, like it or not, need to be protected from themselves (and they were).

I don't think a 12 yr old kid should be given a 150 hp jet ski with no real instruction and be allowed to bomb down a lake or river at 70+ mph. It is dangerous to the kid as well as my kids who are also using the water. I know you're saying parents have a responsibility to provide that instruction, but we all know there are plenty of dead beat parents out there who don't. Even if they are given instruction, many kids just don稚 have to maturity to handle it.

I壇 tell you I believe in gun control too, but I don稚 dare open that can of worms:laughing:

We had some rogue politicians here that made the bad mortgages possible...You folks were smarter than to allow that kind of thing...I give you that...I also understand your concern regarding the safety of your children and others when an irresponsible kid takes off on a machine.... Maybe the solution is to license operators over 10 yrs. old once they pass an operators test ..but for the government just to ban those under 16 yrs. from operating a tractor on their own land...now that does not endanger your kids or anyone else...that is out of line....and that is where my " Live free or die " motto comes in....Ehhh ? and by the way...control the guns and you control the good people ...the bad people will always have guns...just trust me on that..

 

[kiotiken]

We had some rogue politicians here that made the bad mortgages possible...You folks were smarter than to allow that kind of thing...I give you that...I also understand your concern regarding the safety of your children and others when an irresponsible kid takes off on a machine.... Maybe the solution is to license operators over 10 yrs. old once they pass an operators test ..but for the government just to ban those under 16 yrs. from operating a tractor on their own land...now that does not endanger your kids or anyone else...that is out of line....and that is where my " Live free or die " motto comes in....Ehhh ? and by the way...control the guns and you control the good people ...the bad people will always have guns...just trust me on that..

I NOT in anyway in favor of banning kids from tractors at any age, I agree, that should be up to the parents. I can't wait for my kids to start cutting the lawn with the riding mower and I'll be a happy guy if any of them want to work with me on a project and can use the tractor to do it. Regardless of if it's my son or either of my daughters, they'll only be able to use any equipment when I think they can handle it safely.
Everybody in Ontario is now required to have a boaters license. Most consider it a cash grab, I think I probably agree, but that aside, kids of any age can write the test and be licensed to operate a water craft under 10 hp and above 12' in length. After that, age matters.

 

[Western]

Speaking of Canada, I just watched a segment on FOX news that a school in Toronto is/has ,banned the use of balls for kids at recess!! This is volleyballs, footballs, tennis balls ect tra. Are you kidding??? they showed the kids outside the school and they where all chanting "we want our balls back, we want our balls back",
Heck if you didn't know better, you'd a thought you where watching Congress chanting on C-Span!!!

 

[dmccarty]

Speaking of Canada, I just watched a segment on FOX news that a school in Toronto is/has ,banned the use of balls for kids at recess!! This is volleyballs, footballs, tennis balls ect tra. Are you kidding??? they showed the kids outside the school and they where all chanting "we want our balls back, we want our balls back",
Heck if you didn't know better, you'd a thought you where watching Congress chanting on C-Span!!!

Plus A Billion!

I gagged on my coffee with that one!

You should get a Major Award for that line!

Thanks,
Dan

 

[toppop52]

Hey Dennis, great find! What we need is more government regs, please pile the BS so deep we all drown in it! What are they thinking? The current administration truly believes it knows better than we do how to run our lives, I'm sick of it!

 

[kiotiken]

Speaking of Canada, I just watched a segment on FOX news that a school in Toronto is/has ,banned the use of balls for kids at recess!! This is volleyballs, footballs, tennis balls ect tra.

I heard!! It's a start, but it simply doesn't go far enough. Skipping ropes are still ok when they are clearly a choking hazard, and don't get me started about teaching kids graffitti by letting them use chalk!

Heck if you didn't know better, you'd a thought you where watching Congress chanting on C-Span!!!

Funniest thing I've heard in a long time even though I'm not American!

 

[rockinmywaypa]

every kid should be able to learn like I did. I was old enough at the age of eight to learn to drive a variety of neighbours tractors, all with hand clutches, pulling wagons down rows of grain stooks while two men piled and about four threw the sheaves up. This was during grain harvest in the good old days. The only time that crew could agree on anything was when I shoved the clutch in too fast and jerked the wagon hard enough to almost throw the men off the top. I learned a whole new vocabulary as well as learning to start off smoothly.

 

[Combustix]

What I need is the department of labor to ban me from working , so that I don't do anything dangerous, then slip me the winning lotto ticket numbers, that's all I need