At what temperature do you need to plug in a tractor?

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Wyld Bill

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I have a engine heater for my tractor. I usually try to plug it in for a while before I start if if it is below 35 degrees or so.
OTher people I know don't have an engine heater at all & use thier tractor all Winter. So what's the deal? Is it needed? Is it hard on the engine to start it when it is cold or does it just make it "easier" to start when it is cold?? At what temp & below do problems occur?
 
   / At what temperature do you need to plug in a tractor? #2  
I use the block heater when it is cold. A warm engine always sounds better when it starts so therefore it must be better for the engine.

Craig Clayton
 
   / At what temperature do you need to plug in a tractor? #3  
It depends on how your engine starts.
My 1720 starts very good in any temperature so I don't usually plug it in unless it is very cold (single didgets) and I have a specific time that I will need it. Then I will put it on a timer for a 1 or 2 hour warm-up.
If I don稚 have a specific schedule for it and will needing it in an hour or so and have time I will plug it in while I go about my business. Generally with small diesels 30 minutes of heat will make a huge difference!
In my case it is not needed but it makes it much easier specifically on the starter & battery.
I use synthetic 5w40 oil which lets the engine crank over much faster which is essential for a diesel to start; it also allows oil pressure to build much faster.
The best synthetic oil I have used for extreme cold weather was Mobil Delvac1 5w40.
I have used Delvac1, Amsoil, and Shell T6 in my Dodge Diesels and tractors along with others brands and highly recommends the use of Synthetic oil for winter use.
In my experience the Delvac1 was the best in extreme cold.
 
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I use my block heater for an hour or so when it gets down around 10 or 0 F.
 
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In the winter here, its almost always in the mid to low 20's every morning, at the least. I leave my block heater hooked up to a wall mounted time clock that runs it every day during the winter for 2 hours around 4AM and for 1 hour around 5pm. This allows for a nice sounding start for the times i generally will need to use the tractor. Even if i dont use the tractor, im not out much $$$ per month. I calced it at about $ 3.35/month to protect my new tractor engine. Cheap insurance.

I personally dont bother with synthetic oil as i have to change it every 100 hours anyways. i use a 10w30 rotella oil as perscribed by my tractors manufacturer. So far i have started the tractor in +3F temps a few weeks ago, and no grinding or groaning sounds. Thats a nice sound
 
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Cold starts in cold climates are where a lot of wear occurs on any engine, and diesels in particular. I use a block heater for 30 minutes to 1 hour prior to any start of my JD 4120 whenever the temperature is below 50 degrees or so. I expect to get 60 + years out of that tractor just like my grandad did out of his 1950 model M Deere. That blockheater is of critical importance in making that happen because I use the tractor all winter for clearing snow and I live in an area that gets lots of that.
 
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I have an older JD855. When the weather goes from "jacket cold, to coat cold"
I plug in the block heater.

I keep the tractor indoors, but have the heater on an outdoor timer. Set to run for a couple hours. Set for around the time of day when I usually get out to move snow.

The two important things I have learned are to use a GOOD quality timer. The cheap on sale ones will stop on you at 2am when it gets to really cold weather, and it is the most inconvenient.

The other thing is to tangle the drop cord into the steering wheel.........
Don't ask.....................

Good luck
 
   / At what temperature do you need to plug in a tractor? #8  
on our big cab tractor if the temps are going tobe below 30 we plugg it in a few hours for we use it.on the kubota we use the glow plugs as needed.
 
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Wyobuckaroo
"The other thing is to tangle the drop cord into the steering wheel.........
Don't ask....................."

Well done and I get it, belive me!
 
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  • Thread Starter
#10  
So a few of you guys are using like a time clock set up to control when your heater runs? I have a couple of these at work I could get for free,..then again I don't really have a "set time" that I go snowblow. Then the other thing is it seems silly to run the heater all those times that you are not going to use the tractor. Really,...I probably only snowblow my driveway 10 to 12 times a Winter.
 
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So a few of you guys are using like a time clock set up to control when your heater runs? I have a couple of these at work I could get for free,..then again I don't really have a "set time" that I go snowblow. Then the other thing is it seems silly to run the heater all those times that you are not going to use the tractor. Really,...I probably only snowblow my driveway 10 to 12 times a Winter.

well, i use my tractor for more tha just snow blowing.. i use it to clean stalls, move trailers, bunch of other stuff. Some winters im moving snow 3-4 times a week for a long time (not this year). Since i generally use the tractor at a set time when i do use it, the timer works for me. And since it only cost me about $3.30/MONTH to operate the heaters, i figure, why worry about it. thats one McD hamburger a month
 
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I plug mine for a few hours an anytime its close to freezing and I will know I will be using it..

I also have mine on a timer, which I try to us.. Otherwise I just go out, plug it in, and then come back in for breakfast while it warms up.. I figure 30 min is better than stone cold..

Brian
 
   / At what temperature do you need to plug in a tractor? #13  
Wyld Bill mentioning a "time clock" mechanism to use on a block heater.
This got me thinking...............

Is there such a thing as this or could one of you electrical savvy people invent a remote switch to turn on the block heater and automatically turn off after say an hour ? You could activate it with a garage door opener............

If you make many millions $ on this idea, send me a new tractor.........
Good luck
Wyo
 
   / At what temperature do you need to plug in a tractor? #14  
Wyld Bill mentioning a "time clock" mechanism to use on a block heater.
This got me thinking...............

Is there such a thing as this or could one of you electrical savvy people invent a remote switch to turn on the block heater and automatically turn off after say an hour ? You could activate it with a garage door opener............

If you make many millions $ on this idea, send me a new tractor.........
Good luck
Wyo

they have remote control devices out there for doing just this thing. Problem is they have a range limit in the 50-75foot range (from those i have seen). And i really like mine to run for 2 hours in the AM. so i cant keep myself busy that long (real short attention span...wait...what was i just typing???). My tractor is about 300-350 feet from the bedroom.....
 
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What works goood for me, as far as plugging in the tractor, is to plug it in as soon as I get home from work, before I eat supper. After about 45 minutes, on average, it starts smoother than it does in the summer, and I am ready to plow snow. I take a 4wd SUV to work that can get out thru almost any snow and my wife does not need to get out of the house during the day so this system works well for us. If she really needs to get out, there is a 4wd pickup in the barn that she can use. It seems like most of the snow usually falls during the day anyhow. Usually, once or twice each winter, a heavy snowfall occurs at night. When that happens, I go out and plug in the tractor right after I wake up, and in the half hour or so it takes me to get ready for work, it is plenty warm enough to start. I dont waste a lot of time and just knock out a quick path to the road when that happens however, leaving the thourough cleaning until the evening when I get home. I use the 4120 JD for heavier snows and for times when I got to get done quick. I have a gas-powered, Farmall Cub with a front blade that I use for lighter snows or when I feel like "killing" a little more time on the tractor, usually on the weekends. That little 10 hp, 4 cylinder gas motor starts exceptionally good in freezing weather without any type of starting aids. The Cub is also converted to 12 volts (stock was 6 volts) which really helps with cold starts. I do use an old, gas-powered Ford 8n once a week throughout the winter for fetching firewood. That tractor is still 6 volts and it also has never needed any starting aids. It has low hours and great compression which helps it start easy in the cold. There is no doubt, that gasoline engines are much happier starting cold than diesel engines. The easy way around that is a block heater so that you never need to start your diesel cold.
 
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I've seen diesels that will start close to -30 on there own! I also know of them that have trouble much below 30!

Wear is an issue here when starting when cold. A strong battery means more for success here then a lot of heat.
 
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Methods I've used for preheating the tractor:
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1) Go out and plug it in an hour before I want to use. ( If I'm expecting an early morning snow storm, I'll sometimes plug it in the night before.)
2) Timer (cheap ones will often not work in very cold weather. I use an industrial timer with battery backup for my plane, so it takes the cold, and doesn't lose the time if the power goes out)
3) I've put it on a remote control outlet (a 1 foot cord you plug into your outlet, with a box containing an outlet and receiver circuitry, plus a remote control cost me about $10 or $12). Downside is I can't tell if it turned on or not without going out to verify. I need to also put a light on the circuit that I can see from the house
4) Plugged a thermostat-controled "power cube" into my regular outlet or into my timer. That way, the timer can turn on the outlet, but the thermostat cube won't send power to the heater unless it's less than 35 or 40 degrees out. (thermostat outlet cube at local farm store or hardware for a few bucks... often used to turn on water heater for livestock.)
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I don't really like the idea of cycling the heater on and off if I won't be running the tractor. I know in my aircraft, this is a recipe for condensation and corrosion in the engine (the oil tends to get acidic with use) I assume this could also be an issue with my tractor, so I tend to avoid just leaving the timer running all the time, creating multiple warm/cold cycles.

John Mc
 
   / At what temperature do you need to plug in a tractor? #18  
All very good advice here, each to his own that works for them. Starting in December here in cold up-state N.Y. I use a "Battery Tender" that is wired to he battery terminals of my Grand L, It keeps the battery right up to charge and shuts off completely when fully charged. It comes back on when charge level of battery drops, never over charges your battery. I also have a engine block heater on my Grand L and depending, I either set it to a timer for two hours before I use it or just plug it in and do some walk ways behind a walk behind snow blower. That way after an hour or so of shoveling and snow blowing the tractor is nice an warmed, and now I can do all the large driveways and around the barn and of course pathways for my two furry friends.Hope this helps?
DevilDog
 
   / At what temperature do you need to plug in a tractor? #19  
When to plug? Depends on the machine, it's design and condition.

I have an old machine with a rebuilt engine, it won't start without heat if it's below about 40F. Also have a new one with 1000+ hours and it starts at -35F without being plugged in. (Don't even have a block heater in it!)
 
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One thing to keep in mind: the ability to get an engine started is not the only reason to preheat. As others have noted here, most of the wear on an engine comes in the few moments after starting, and the amount of that wear is greatly increased by cold. The engine in my NH TC33D will start well below freezing. I avoid doing that without preheating, since I want to prolong the engine life.
 

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