Anyone else holding out for new 2013 Chevy/GMC truck?

[Renze]

Not to start another controversy but the same with this is true for non-american tractor companies - we're talking Kubota, Kioti, Even New Holland/Case with CNH, Mahindra, and the list goes on, about the only American designed tractor left is JD. Again I have no problem with any of those brands but is a huge plus for JD in my book and another one of the reasons I own a JD tractor in my yard and have GM cars in my drive.

small JD garden tractors are "made in Japan" and small 5000 series farm tractors are "made in India"

Sweet dreams: But you'll wake up in a worldwide market in which countries like China, Brazil, have far better economic stability than the ol' USA... **** i hate it when Americans dont know whats going on in the rest of the world, and even more when it has such a big impact on THEMSELF !! Do your newspapers and news channels simply ignore these facts, because everybody is afraid that they will be bitten when they tell bad news ???

Nothing personal, southern Europe isnt much worse than the USA in terms of public debt, but the USA is still running around like a proud bantam, not realising it has sold their feathers by living on credit for the past two decades?? :-/

No presidential candidate will change anything, as long as the American voters dont carry this within their voting... Its not the presidents that make this change (which Obama promised) its the VOTERS that must promote this change: Presidents want a 2nd presidential term, and therefor will not change unless they KNOW the voters will punish them for not doing so...

Once more, dont blame Bush, or Obama: responsibility is in the hands of the voters... With democracy comes a responsibility...



Sorry for the rant... But Sometimes Americans can have the same attitude like PIGS countries (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain) Once more nothing personal at Martiantractor man, ok ?

 

[BethesdaEC]

Most JD stuff is also built overseas under 50 hp.

Chris

The 1000, 3000 and 4000 series are built in the US but they do have a Japanese Yanmar diesel. The 2000 series is Japanese, but a lot of the attachments are built in the US.

 

[Topkicker]

Topkicker I'd say the same thing. GM had a bad stretch a while back, but that was everyone's bad stretch. To say GM makes junk is flat out wrong. They make very good vehicles and they have a lot of stuff unreleased that will be bring GM back to its glory days when if you had a Cadillac you were the king of town. I buy GM because my Mom works there, as I've said, I get the family discount but if I wanted something else I'd buy it. The only vehicle I've been tempted at is a Ford F150 Raptor - they look really slick IMO - but I'd have no use for one with the vehicles I have. I've yet to have a lemon GM and personally I have no compelling reason to switch brands - I don't see any other brand that has any better features(I'll give Ford the Sync system but I'd rather have my life saved if I'm in a crash by Onstar then to be able to push a button and text someone)

I'm a big fan of the Raptor also. I'm into off-roading and this is a good looking truck with great off-road performance. OnStar is still exclusive to GM as a factory option but can be purchaced at your local BestBuy to add to any vehicle. onstar - BestBuy

 

[Martian]

small JD garden tractors are "made in Japan" and small 5000 series farm tractors are "made in India"

Sweet dreams: But you'll wake up in a worldwide market in which countries like China, Brazil, have far better economic stability than the ol' USA... **** i hate it when Americans dont know whats going on in the rest of the world, and even more when it has such a big impact on THEMSELF !! Do your newspapers and news channels simply ignore these facts, because everybody is afraid that they will be bitten when they tell bad news ???

Nothing personal, southern Europe isnt much worse than the USA in terms of public debt, but the USA is still running around like a proud bantam, not realising it has sold their feathers by living on credit for the past two decades?? :-/

No presidential candidate will change anything, as long as the American voters dont carry this within their voting... Its not the presidents that make this change (which Obama promised) its the VOTERS that must promote this change: Presidents want a 2nd presidential term, and therefor will not change unless they KNOW the voters will punish them for not doing so...

Once more, dont blame Bush, or Obama: responsibility is in the hands of the voters... With democracy comes a responsibility...



Sorry for the rant... But Sometimes Americans can have the same attitude like PIGS countries (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain) Once more nothing personal at Martiantractor man, ok ?

I am the biggest proponent of this. I can't stand ill informed people and people as one of our TBNer's signatures say "If is many people worked for a living vs voted for a living we would be in a better place." Don't get me started on Obama. My only point is that I like to know where my tractor is designed in the USA just like my vehicles.

 

[two_bit_score]

Im glad my old trucks down here dont rust

That way I dont have to make a truck payment that looks like a mortgage payment.

For me I decided I would have to be making 150k a year to justify blowing- (wasting) the kind of money that a new 3/4 or 1 ton 4x4 costs. So old stuff for me.

I bought a house, fixed it up and sold it for enough extra to pay for my truck. Took me a year and a half to buy it, fix it market it and buy the truck. That's delayed gratification to me. :laughing:

 

[mjncad]

Let me know when Honda can make a real truck. Otherwise, I'll stick to "non-innovative" 03 Silverado that hasn't given me any problems in 125,000 miles.

I would love to see Honda build a real truck; the Ridgeline is a joke to me. Also a real Honda truck wouldn't be a rebadged Isuzu like the Passport POS SUV was a rebadged Rodeo.

Toyota and Nissan build bigger trucks, most of which never make it here.

Regardless, union workers are still our neighbors and Americans who earn and spend supporting our economy across the states.

I bought into this argument with my last GM vehicle many years ago. That POS helped the economy by nickel and diming me to death in repairs. I don't mind helping out my neighbors; but when it screws me in the wallet to do so, I re-evaluate whether to buy elsewhere or continue the same course.

Sorry for the rant... But Sometimes Americans can have the same attitude like PIGS countries (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain)

Amen Renze, and I like that acronym too. It pisses me off that a piss-ant country of 11-million people like Greece can screw over the world financial system because of their government's fiscal stupidity.

 

[jeffsw6]

Amen Renze, and I like that acronym too. It pisses me off that a piss-ant country of 11-million people like Greece can screw over the world financial system because of their government's fiscal stupidity.

It should anger you that the financial system is so fragile that it can't absorb a write-down or wipe-out of $500bln of sovereign debt.

This would not be a bad problem if there wasn't so much rampant speculation (rather than actual investing) and if our system of fractional deposit banking actually had effective rules, and a sane requirement for maintaining reserve vault cash or fed deposits.

Credit default swaps and similar instruments have created this systemic fragility and the only way we are ever going to have stability is for politicians to enforce the rules we have, improve and update rules where the state of the industry has surpassed the imagination of past rule-makers, and for the system to gradually adapt to rules designed to reduce systemic risk (which will mean less short/medium-term profit for banks and Wall Street types.)

The only way politicians are ever going to do that is if common people start to understand the problem. The economic problem we have currently is not caused by a high national debt, anyone who believes that has drank some serious kool-aid and there is probably no sense in trying to argue with them. But the truth is our problem is the extremely fragile financial system suddenly hiccuped and killed off a few million jobs. Reducing government spending actually makes it worse (this is what Greece did and their unemployment doubled and tax base shrank.) The government should accumulate less debt but the time to address that is during a good economic time when unemployment is low -- like both parties came together and did during the 90s.

But the wool being pulled over peoples' eyes is that our economic problem has anything at all to do with government debt. It doesn't. That is a long-term problem which we should fix, but now is the absolute worst time to try to fix it.

Our economic problem is that our banking system is totally out of control, our big corporations (employers) can't make payroll and run their day-to-day operations without overnight borrowing (insane!) and even if every american household cut up its credit cards right now and started spending money more responsibly, banks and big companies would STILL have these huge risks that could unwind at any moment.

Sorry that wasn't about the ugly Chevy concept truck. But seriously, if you think Greece is to blame for the world's continuing economic struggle, I really wish you would reconsider. $0.02.

 

[sparc]

Once more, don't blame Bush, or Obama: responsibility is in the hands of the voters... With democracy comes a responsibility...

I believe we have limited 'responsibility' as you put; I'd call it limited capability to control what happens in Washington; limited in that you only have control at specific times in history as on election day since we as a people fail to impeach most corrupt politicians. So that leaves one day a year to 'control' what happens or to impose our will on those we elected last time who did not follow through on their campaign promises (that never happens right?). How many have stood up and told us they will affect real change, and then blamed the other party because they could not get anything done as if they intended to really make a change to begin with.

Wait...that doesn't make sense either...ALL politicians are corrupt aren't they? After all their main goal is to get re-elected and that rarely serves the purpose of those who elected them.

I have little faith in ANY of them. I would prefer that there were single term limits on EVERY elected position. With zero chance of being re-elected you have no incentive to waste time campaigning when you should be earning your wages doing the peoples business and no incentive to accumulate enough years to get lifetime health benefits or a pension at the expense of the people. One and done. That alone will make the job unpalatable to many no so honest public servants to use the term loosely.

If you really like serving the public, AND they (the public) like you for what you have done for them, then after sitting out a term you can run again but you still can't earn a government pension no matter how many years you hold an elected position.

 

[Monster5601]

It's not that easy anymore to decide what constitutes a "foreign" company. For example, is the wife's Malibu an American car or a "foreign" car, since it was apparently built in Mexico.

Silverado trucks used to be produced at a nearby plant and I believe it was actually rated #1 for quality. Production was moved to the US and the plant now builds Impala.

So now if I buy a Silverado, based on the logic above - I'd be buying a "foreign" brand.

It is very easy, if you buy a Chevy which is a GM product, the profit dollars stop in downtown Detroit.

Silverados are built around the corner from my house. It is not uncommon for the manufactures to move around assembly locations based on the abilities of the assembly plants.

If the VIN starts with a 1 on Chevy or GMC trucks, it was assembled in the states, if the VIN starts with a 3, the truck was assembled in Mexico.

 

[Monster5601]

You didn't supply any specifics but with a 3 year 36,000 mile bumper to bumper, a 100,000 mile 5 year power train warranty, it is hard to understand how the truck nickle dimed you.

I'm driving a 2003 Tahoe Z71 with 180,000 miles. The truck has been issue free outside of standard maintenance. All I do is maintain it to GM's published schedules.