Anyone else holding out for new 2013 Chevy/GMC truck?

[timswi]

This whole bailout thing has run it's course and grown tiresome...If Ford would have been bailed out, would the emotions run the same?...I doubt it.

Ford Motor Credit did get bailout funds...Does anyone care?...I don't.

This was a necessary and unfortunate event, it happened and it worked...Once the cash is fully paid back, by all...I'll care even less.

At least this government money didn't go to studing how shrimp handle treadmills and the thousands of other wasted "studies" that provide nothing except employment to those hiding behind ivy covered walls..

 

[glc24]

I sure hope by 2013 that the body style is a good one,because that is when I'm going to retire my 1998 K1500. It will more than likely be pushing 260,000by then. She's got 238 right now.This thing has been an unbelieveable truck for me to this point.There are more things still original than I care to list.

I have been a "Bowtie Guy" for a little over 40 years,and I really don't want to change,but I may have to if they don't get their act together. It's just my
.02,but I haven't cared for the body style for the last 10 years. The newest is fairly decent,but they can still do much better. I hate to say it,but IMO,the Ford is the nicest looking front to back.:mur:

We'll just have to cross our fingers and hope that their (GM) design team hits a homerun this time.:thumbsup:

Greg

 

[yooper1]

I agree on the body style.

I do not like it

The last new truck I bought was a 93 GMC full size 4X4 with the v6. That body style was not too bad.

I have been a GM person since I began driving in the 70's but this latest (and years prior) body style has me seriously thinking of possibly a F-O-R-D (shhhhhh).....and quite honestly maybe even RAM......I think that the RAM is sharper looking and "seems" to have a better stance. I happened to see both a new (er) GM & new ram about 4 parking spots apart and the RAM looks to sit higher, looks a bit more like a truck.

GM's big square wheel openings with the squarish built in flairs and small looking tires seem to be odd looking to me. (yes, I know you can opt for 20 inchers )

but that is just my 2 cents and I sure hope I make up my mind before I spend the cash on a new tractor again

 

[Diamondpilot]

This whole bailout thing has run it's course and grown tiresome...If Ford would have been bailed out, would the emotions run the same?...I doubt it.

Ford Motor Credit did get bailout funds...Does anyone care?...I don't.

Your info is incorrect. I have two web sites that I follow closely and this one was last updated Dec 12th with current paybacks ect. Ford took no monies. GM, GMAC, Ally, GM Supplier Companies, and GM Receivables are all listed as taking monies. Chrysler has a list also. Its all right here in black and white.

I watch this list weekly along with another that both keep good info on these companies and all that took the bailouts. I make my decisions on who gets my money when I make a major purchase and sought out a bank not on the list when I just refinanced my house 3 weeks ago.

Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica

Chris

 

[two_bit_score]

If it makes you feel better I guess keep doing it. But, your vote against the Obama regime and voicing your demands to your congressional representatives will be more effective. Best case - do both. But, absolutely vote against the Obama regime.

 

[lilranch2001]

Your info is incorrect. I have two web sites that I follow closely and this one was last updated Dec 12th with current paybacks ect. Ford took no monies. GM, GMAC, Ally, GM Supplier Companies, and GM Receivables are all listed as taking monies. Chrysler has a list also. Its all right here in black and white.

I watch this list weekly along with another that both keep good info on these companies and all that took the bailouts. I make my decisions on who gets my money when I make a major purchase and sought out a bank not on the list when I just refinanced my house 3 weeks ago.

Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica

Chris

OMG
Fannie Mae Government-Sponsored Enterprise DC $111,600,000,000 $111,600,000,000 $0 $17,164,000,000 $0 $0 $0

This is just a frikkn sin

 

[Diamondpilot]

If it makes you feel better I guess keep doing it. But, your vote against the Obama regime and voicing your demands to your congressional representatives will be more effective. Best case - do both. But, absolutely vote against the Obama regime.

Trust me, I will. My fear is though he will get re-elected. Look at the bunch that are running against him. The only hope, as much as I hate to say it, to get this country back in line is to get Trump or a guy just like him in office. He is a arrogant SOB but he has been down and always picks himself up. He knows how to run a business and make money. That all the government is, a company.

Read over the list I posted. It will make you sick just like the Fannie Mae stats posted above.

This should P all of you off. I know it does me. Call me a Red Neck or what ever you want but why keep rewarding the ones that had their hand out when there are choices?

Chris

 

[Topkicker]

This whole bailout thing has run it's course and grown tiresome...If Ford would have been bailed out, would the emotions run the same?...I doubt it.

Ford Motor Credit did get bailout funds...Does anyone care?...I don't.

This was a necessary and unfortunate event, it happened and it worked...Once the cash is fully paid back, by all...I'll care even less.

At least this government money didn't go to studing how shrimp handle treadmills and the thousands of other wasted "studies" that provide nothing except employment to those hiding behind ivy covered walls..

Very well said. Our tax dallars have left this country to aid other nations for varius reasons for many years. If our tax dollars helped keep American jobs and kept us from being totally dependent on forign automakers for our means of transportation, I don't have a problem with it. Could GM and Chrysler done a better job at managing their companies? YES. Hopefully some lessons were learned at the top. GM knows how to build good quality cars and trucks. I see this on a daily basis. Hopefully they've learned how to manage money.

 

[TheGoose]

You bash GM for taking a bailout but since you mentioned your mortage have you ever thought about the effect that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have one the average joe being able to even get a mortgage?

Without those two GSE's (Gov't Sponsored Enterprise) I believe that most americans probably would not be able to afford a house. Now of course the whole system was corrupted starting about 2004 but before then I think it worked pretty good.

I will never forget. Why should the Govt step in and decide who makes it and who does not. Its not just GM either. I moved my home mortgage to a bank that took no help. Why reward the ones that can not make it on their own?:confused2:

I mean come on. If you had a mom and pop truck customizing shop or were a guy doing roofs for a living and you made poor business decisions why should the tax payers bail you out and keep you up and running? And don't give me that lots of people would have lost their jobs if GM failed crap. GM is not even in the top 100 employers in the US. It was all political. Unions vote Dem. Enough said.

If GM was to fail, which they still may if you read what is going on, it would not have been that big of a deal. Yes, for a few months things would have been but the quality lines, products, buildings, and employees would have found their way to other manufactures. Everyone from Kia to Dodge.

I will never forget. Drink the Kook-Aid if you want.:confused2:

Chris

 

[JasG]

You bash GM for taking a bailout but since you mentioned your mortage have you ever thought about the effect that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have one the average joe being able to even get a mortgage?

Without those two GSE's (Gov't Sponsored Enterprise) I believe that most americans probably would not be able to afford a house. Now of course the whole system was corrupted starting about 2004 but before then I think it worked pretty good.

The whole system was corrupted in the early 1990's. The corruption was allowed because of Fannie May, Freddie Mac and the US government. The whole issue started when the government put pressure on lenders to give loans to people that were a very high risk. It also started allowing zero money down loans and no proof of employment loans. I'm making it a little simpler than it reall was, but I'm not far off. These things I doubt would have happened if they were either better regulated or not even around. Whats wrong with expecting people to put money down? Then the market wouldn't have exploded the way it did. Home prices wouldn't have skyrocketed and the bubble wouldn't have happened.

Lets not forget that the GM bailout was a little more than a loan program. GM was done if they got loans or not. Lets not forget that the bond holders were wiped out in this. Never before has a bankruptcy been handled this way. The reason people buy bonds is it is a safer investment than stock. This got stood on it's head in this bail out. GM's assets should have been sold off to pay back the secured investors. It was not, it was political payback. Many retirement funds and state funds had GM bonds and were affected in a big way because of this. Someone would have bought GM's assets, someone most likely would be making cars. The issue is the unions would have had to take a much bigger hit than they did.

GM still has the largest pension shortfall of any American company, estimated to be over 30 billion by years end. So I doubt the bailout for GM isn't over yet. Why are they any different than any other company?

It would be one thing if the government loaned money like they did Crysler in the 1980's. I would not have had an issue with a loan. They were able to walk away from a huge debt.

Really in the end, what has GM done to make sure this doesn't happen again? The volt?