Banks no longer posting deposit rates?

   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #81  
Will gold rise in the future? Probably, but it won't be because investors and banks think that it wil save them. Gold goes up when inlfation expectations rise, that's all. Anyone's gold forecast should be based on their expectations for upward price inlfation, not some doomsday scenario even though many confuse the two.

If you expect prices to rise then buy gold. You should also buy oil and any other commodity not priced solely in dollars. For example, look at natural gas whose price has fallen all through this mess. The price for NG falls because it is a local commodity, not a worldwide commodity. It is produced in dollars, sold in dollars and bought in dollars.

Printing of money and fractional banking system creates speed in the money supply and inflation is the metric for which money speed is measured. Currently, becuase banks are not loaning money, money speed is practically zero. By printing almost 3 trillion dollars and giving it to the banks, the Fed has created the potential for great money speed but it has not occured yet because there is absolutely no demand for any services or goods in our economy. Money moves when banks loan money and results in inflation. We want inflation, not deflation. Deflation rips apart those who have ANY debt. The reflationary approach is always better for debt ridden society but it also has its downside for those less fortunate as prices soar.

Gold is just one of the things that will soar in price if inlfation regains its foothold. There are many other things that will go up. Gold is just the chosen investment because it doesn't hurt anyone. Oil hurts when it goes up. Food hurts when it goes up. Housing hurts when it goes up. There is nothing magical about gold. Wait until the world goes to a multi-country currency basket for its reserve currency. Gold may become just another metal with limited industrial use. Now silver is another story.
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #82  
JB4310, you seem like you enjoy learning....
I've posted this here before, but for you and others that may have missed it.


I like learning from both sides of the issue, some of you are very insightful and passionate in your beliefs, which is good, but when insults start, it ruins your (not just you) credibility.

JB
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #83  
yup...then again i went into one rental after the sheriff's office broke off the lock after a 6 month legal battle to evict a deadbeat tenant that was pregnant...even their deposit check bounced....


this was in calif (inlaws rental) . And even though the deposit check bounced, Calif refused to evict a pregnant woman so they lived scott free for 6 months...and destroyed the house. When the Sheriffs office finally intervened, we went into the house and the entire place was gutted....no interior walls. no drywall, no plumbing, no electrical.

And just to make a bigger mess they were housing 100's of pigeons in the house.

You win. That is the craziest story I have heard today.
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #84  
You win. That is the craziest story I have heard today.

yup.. and i still feel so bad about breaking down and laughing right their on the spot while the in-laws were in a state of shock. I can tell the cops were holding back their laughter also. They had more class than i did i guess.
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #85  
Will gold rise in the future? Probably, but it won't be because investors and banks think that it wil save them. Gold goes up when inlfation expectations rise, that's all. Anyone's gold forecast should be based on their expectations for upward price inlfation, not some doomsday scenario even though many confuse the two.

If you expect prices to rise then buy gold. You should also buy oil and any other commodity not priced solely in dollars. For example, look at natural gas whose price has fallen all through this mess. The price for NG falls because it is a local commodity, not a worldwide commodity. It is produced in dollars, sold in dollars and bought in dollars.

Printing of money and fractional banking system creates speed in the money supply and inflation is the metric for which money speed is measured. Currently, becuase banks are not loaning money, money speed is practically zero. By printing almost 3 trillion dollars and giving it to the banks, the Fed has created the potential for great money speed but it has not occured yet because there is absolutely no demand for any services or goods in our economy. Money moves when banks loan money and results in inflation. We want inflation, not deflation. Deflation rips apart those who have ANY debt. The reflationary approach is always better for debt ridden society but it also has its downside for those less fortunate as prices soar.

Gold is just one of the things that will soar in price if inlfation regains its foothold. There are many other things that will go up. Gold is just the chosen investment because it doesn't hurt anyone. Oil hurts when it goes up. Food hurts when it goes up. Housing hurts when it goes up. There is nothing magical about gold. Wait until the world goes to a multi-country currency basket for its reserve currency. Gold may become just another metal with limited industrial use. Now silver is another story.

There's a lot of misinformation in your posts.

I'll start with the most basic.

Gold isn't chosen because it "hurts" no one. It is chosen because it is rare, portable, easily divisible and non-perishable. Oil may be used to back a currency, but you can't lug around barrels of oil to complete a transaction.

What would you say about this?
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates?
  • Thread Starter
#86  
I know others that have a knack for better returns...

One is a retired CPA that has done extremely well in the market... it is something that I don't fell comfortable in doing.

Another, does currency trading... he has a lot in Swiss Francs... at least he did the last I spoke with him...

Another makes bridge loans of Property... mostly in the 8 to 10% range, typically 6 to 12 month duration... worst case he eventually owns the property.

As mentioned... my Carpet Dealer/Floor Covering friend has been aggressively buying inventory... mill specials, liquidations and close outs... he said, he can't afford not to since the prices are so low.

If it wasn't for my time commitment to the Hospital... I would certainly be back in the Real Estate Trenches... have not a a vacancy for several years...

As to Gold... I think just about anyone is prudent owning some... for years, I would give my nieces and nephew US Gold Coins for Christmas and Birthdays... especially when they were young... all the other plastic crap they recieved has long ago been tossed into the trash... now that they are a little older... they all know where their gold coins came from...

Started buying the US $5 gold pieces for $37.50 ea.
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #88  
I know others that have a knack for better returns...

One is a retired CPA that has done extremely well in the market... it is something that I don't fell comfortable in doing.

Another, does currency trading... he has a lot in Swiss Francs... at least he did the last I spoke with him...

Another makes bridge loans of Property... mostly in the 8 to 10% range, typically 6 to 12 month duration... worst case he eventually owns the property.

As mentioned... my Carpet Dealer/Floor Covering friend has been aggressively buying inventory... mill specials, liquidations and close outs... he said, he can't afford not to since the prices are so low.

If it wasn't for my time commitment to the Hospital... I would certainly be back in the Real Estate Trenches... have not a a vacancy for several years...

As to Gold... I think just about anyone is prudent owning some... for years, I would give my nieces and nephew US Gold Coins for Christmas and Birthdays... especially when they were young... all the other plastic crap they recieved has long ago been tossed into the trash... now that they are a little older... they all know where their gold coins came from...

Started buying the US $5 gold pieces for $37.50 ea.
You were/are a very smart man to do that for your family.

My only contention about real-estate is you still owe property taxes...and if you are buying property with a building for whatever purpose, you pay insurance, maintenance, etc. This can eat you alive should you not be able to cover those expenses either through renting/selling/etc.

Just a thought...gold may just sit there, but as seen in my post above dealing with upping the debt ceiling, the more the gov't spends, the more debt it piles on and eventually, the currency will collapse....unless

unless....

you think the people of the US will accept a gov't that doesn't dish out what it has promised and actually cut a bunch of spending.

You think that would go over well?
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #89  
Where is the misinformation? I wouldn't rely on the economic views supported by the author of Atlas Shrugged either.

Most people who own gold have never even seen it except for watching Gold Rush on Friday nights. Gold is an investment creation sold on the TV by G Gordon Liddy. I don't oppose the ownership of gold for investment reasons. It goes up and it goes down, just like everything else. My opinion is that many feel that gold will skyrocket when things turn real nasty and I don't happen to share that view. I think gold goes up because investors feel that it will protect them against inflationary pressures which it has done many times in the past and will most likely do in the future. But many other things will also do the same thing, just like gold. Gold is the one thing that you can invest in but can eventually do nothing with. You can't eat it, you can't use it to heat your home. The only value to gold is when you...................drum roll please......................SELL IT!

People associate gold with something you have to have even to the point of excluding everything else. Hey, it's worked for the last 5 -6 years. Hope you didn't hold gold before that because it was horrible. Why, you ask? Because inflation fears were low even though money was being pumped into the system like crazy. We just didn't create money printing last night. This has been happening for a long time. What's different this time? The economy has run out of steam now because of too much debt - personal and gov't. Gold has gone up because everyone thinks it is a safe haven. Well, I got news for ya. The only safe haven is..................... the US dollar. Best investment in 2011 by far, US Treasuries. Everybody will run to the very thing that looks the worst. Why? Do we have the most gold? No, because we have the freeiest society and everyone has the faith that, if anyone can turn this around, we can.

People push gold because it is easy to. Try to go understand the economic theory behind oil contango and backwardation sometime. Gold is easy to understand. It always goes up because we are screwing ourselves. I just don't think this will always hold true and there are a lot more commodities out there that I would like to own as a diversifier.
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #90  
You were/are a very smart man to do that for your family.

My only contention about real-estate is you still owe property taxes...and if you are buying property with a building for whatever purpose, you pay insurance, maintenance, etc. This can eat you alive should you not be able to cover those expenses either through renting/selling/etc.

Just a thought...gold may just sit there, but as seen in my post above dealing with upping the debt ceiling, the more the gov't spends, the more debt it piles on and eventually, the currency will collapse....unless

unless....

you think the people of the US will accept a gov't that doesn't dish out what it has promised and actually cut a bunch of spending.

You think that would go over well?

What does gold have to do with this? News flash....... we will have a national debt of 25 trillion dollars before any of this gets better. If that bothers you then get prepared. We cannot balance the budget and survive. This change of course will take at least 10 years and we will pile up a lot more debt in the mean time. Sorry, foreclosing on millions of people to get the residential housing market back on track will not work. A reasonable course of action is to cut spending over time and try to figure how best to cut SS, Medicare and Medicaid expenses in the out years.
 

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