Will the CK27 be "enough" tractor

[psdx]

If your boss will ever use the tractor make sure that the boss at least sits on the model before making the purchase. My significant other definitely had different comfort levels on different brands/models.

Excellent point. Don't forget about "she who must be obeyed"!

 

[Loren49]

I believe the CT235 is the Kioti CK35.

Loren

 

[kiotiken]

The bottom line is that 99% of the time all the obsessing is for nothing in the end when you're talking about 5-8 hp. If you were talking about 1–2 frame sizes and 30 hp difference, yeah that might be a show stopper. But with what you're talking about, go with your gut and don't look back. You'll love the new tractor and it will become normal and you'll enjoy it. Yes, more hp might make the job go faster, but if seat time is therapeutic then is faster always better?

Well, I disagree. With loaded tires, this tractor and FEL is around 5000lbs, WAY more than a Kubota B3030. The B3030 is a 30hp tractor and with FEL comes in around 2800 - 3000lbs. You need a little extra hp, IMHO, to move the extra 2000lbs the OP is talking about. 3-8 hp makes a difference, and, having the CK30 myself, I wish I'd gone for the CK35, and I've yet to use an implement on the PTO.

By the way, the free loader program has been going on for YEARS. It wasn't running last winter for any of the models, but came back in March (that's when I bought mine). I can't guarantee anything, but it'll be back on all the CK models again in the spring if you can wait.

 

[Gittyup]

Well, I disagree. With loaded tires, this tractor and FEL is around 5000lbs, WAY more than a Kubota B3030. The B3030 is a 30hp tractor and with FEL comes in around 2800 - 3000lbs. You need a little extra hp, IMHO, to move the extra 2000lbs the OP is talking about. 3-8 hp makes a difference, and, having the CK30 myself, I wish I'd gone for the CK35, and I've yet to use an implement on the PTO.

By the way, the free loader program has been going on for YEARS. It wasn't running last winter for any of the models, but came back in March (that's when I bought mine). I can't guarantee anything, but it'll be back on all the CK models again in the spring if you can wait.

My 6000+ pound CK25 gear has never been short on power. Moving never a problem, high or low range. Never even close to stalling in low range. It will spin everytime when placed against an imovable object. A geared tractor simply puts more power to the road.

The OP should definitely try both. For pure dragging/pushing tasks the CK27 gear might even outperform the CK35HST. For sure, it won't under perform. BTW does anyone know the torque specs gear and/or HST at the drive wheels?

The CK35 is the only HST version I'd want in the tractor, and only if I needed the HST for things where HST shines: back and forth (loader) or fine movements close to other objects.

 

[psdx]

I didn't realize a CZ27 was 5,000 pounds or a CK25 was 6,000 pounds. Holy cow that is lot different. Wow!

 

[Gittyup]

The difference between the two (5000 vs 6000) is a backhoe. With the backhoe, 18" bucket, loaded industrial tires, loader, toothbar, fuel, both are over 6000 lbs. The CK27/CK25 probably weigh within 100 lbs or so of each other for the tractor alone. And, yes, they are heavy. That's what makes them great diggers and loader tractors.

 

[kiotiken]

My 6000+ pound CK25 gear has never been short on power. Moving never a problem, high or low range. Never even close to stalling in low range. It will spin everytime when placed against an imovable object. A geared tractor simply puts more power to the road.

The OP should definitely try both. For pure dragging/pushing tasks the CK27 gear might even outperform the CK35HST. For sure, it won't under perform. BTW does anyone know the torque specs gear and/or HST at the drive wheels?

The CK35 is the only HST version I'd want in the tractor, and only if I needed the HST for things where HST shines: back and forth (loader) or fine movements close to other objects.

It sounds like you're set up about the same as me for weight, my dealers saying about 6500lbs (I asked because of trailers) for tractor, FEL, Woods BH, loaded tires and cab.

I don't know about the gear version of the tractor because I've never worked with it, but I don't believe this set up will allow you to spin the tires against an immovable object unless you are in a very low gear. I can spin mine in low, but doing a lot of loader work in that gear would be a little like watching paint dry. Also, spinning the wheels again an immovable object isn't showing much, try spinning the wheels into a pile while scooping and lifting the FEL, you'll find that's when you need the extra power.

Yes, the gear versions will give a little more hp to the PTO and maybe a little more to the ground, but come on, the CK27 gear will neither outperform or match the performance of the CK35HST, nor will it out perform the CK30HST.

I think I should clarify my opinion a little. I think the CK line are all awesome tractors that I would chose every time. Spending somebody elses money, I'd go for the CK35HST. I've never though I had too much power and more wouldn't be better and HST is the way to go for sure for me and I would say for anybody who wants to do FEL work. I'm very happy with my CK30HST, but yes if I were to do it again, I'd cough up the extra $ for the CK35HST.

 

[Gittyup]

It sounds like you're set up about the same as me for weight, my dealers saying about 6500lbs (I asked because of trailers) for tractor, FEL, Woods BH, loaded tires and cab.

I don't know about the gear version of the tractor because I've never worked with it, but I don't believe this set up will allow you to spin the tires against an immovable object unless you are in a very low gear. I can spin mine in low, but doing a lot of loader work in that gear would be a little like watching paint dry. Also, spinning the wheels again an immovable object isn't showing much, try spinning the wheels into a pile while scooping and lifting the FEL, you'll find that's when you need the extra power.

Yes, the gear versions will give a little more hp to the PTO and maybe a little more to the ground, but come on, the CK27 gear will neither outperform or match the performance of the CK35HST, nor will it out perform the CK30HST.

I think I should clarify my opinion a little. I think the CK line are all awesome tractors that I would chose every time. Spending somebody elses money, I'd go for the CK35HST. I've never though I had too much power and more wouldn't be better and HST is the way to go for sure for me and I would say for anybody who wants to do FEL work. I'm very happy with my CK30HST, but yes if I were to do it again, I'd cough up the extra $ for the CK35HST.

Ken,

I guess we will just have to disagree on this one. I've moved over a 1000 tons of fill and have never stalled pushing into a pile. Tires spin first. If you are not in low range and stall, you certainly aren't putting maximum HP to the ground; that can only be done in low range. And preceived when test driving the 30 that the HST would hit relief before it puts all of its HP to ground. Difficult to really know without measuring hp at the wheel. My test drive coupled with all the complaints on here about the HST being a dog during transport made me decide to go gear. My opinion is that the HST is only sufficient in the 35 (not available when I bought), marginal in the 30 and 27. And that for ground engaging tasks (not loader) the CK25 gear will perform as good as the any of the CK HSTs.

A tractor pull would be interesting between gear and HST. Still would like to know the torque numbers. This could be telling, as would how much wheel hp can be developed by maximizing HST relief valve setting. Perhaps this could yield almost all of it's power to the ground.

PTO, that's a different matter entirely. There you'll see the HP difference.

 

[IslandTractor]

I'm very happy with my CK30HST, but yes if I were to do it again, I'd cough up the extra $ for the CK35HST.

I was happy with my CK20 but coughed up the signature to move up to the DK40se. I was focused mostly on loader work and the CK25/27/30/35 really don't add much over the CK20 for that. I appreciate it is a big jump but anyone who is worried that a CK27 might not be powerful enough (other than mowing) really should be looking at the DK series. A CK35 will run a mower more easily than a 27 but I don't see many other advantages.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I was happy with my CK20 but coughed up the signature to move up to the DK40se. I was focused mostly on loader work and the CK25/27/30/35 really don't add much over the CK20 for that. I appreciate it is a big jump but anyone who is worried that a CK27 might not be powerful enough (other than mowing) really should be looking at the DK series. A CK35 will run a mower more easily than a 27 but I don't see many other advantages.

So you think that a CK27 gear is going to pull a plow through the ground at the same rate as a CK35 gear? Yes they will both pull at the same depth, but at the same speed? I doubt it. The higher HP machine will move the same material at a higher rate of speed.

The same holds true for your DK40, yes it will do all the same things as the 45 and 50, but not as fast.