Hydrofracing

[lockhaven]

it is amazing to me that the entire world is exaggerating and lying about what is going on except for the gas industry. what other industry sought for and got exemption from the EPA. Why are Pennsylvania inspectors forbidden to stop work without approval from the Harrisburg. We that are living in the area are told that we do not know what is going on while people being paid by the industry know all. What is in the fracking fluid that they are hiding and why do they misrepresent ( not lying mind you) about the amount of the mystery chemicals present. Last year we had a meeting at the fire hall with reps from the gas industry PA state police and the DCNR. The arguments from those on this forum that support the fracking are almost word for word what the spokesmen from the gas industry at the meeting said. Odd to me The highlight of the meeting was after we were told that the drivers always obeyed the speed limit and were courteous drivers. As we were leaving one came by, hauling A**. The troopers pulled him over while we were all cheering.

 

[Egon]

Then he'll be nice & warm & thirsty /QUOTE]

Not really, gas line off the top of the water tank, waterline off the tank bottom.:thumbsup:

 

[Mighty Dodge]

Thank good old Dick Cheney for fracing. If the fluid's benign why did they exempt it from the Safe Drinking Water Act? I wouldn't want it in my back yard or anywhere close.

Daily Kos: Dick Cheney and Halliburton: Hydraulic Fracturing Chemicals in YOUR Drinking Water.

John

 

[Catfish Man]

I look forward to reading about you guys solar tractors.

I'm sure since you are against energy independence that you wouldn't be burning that nasty old diesel.

 

[aczlan]

it is amazing to me that the entire world is exaggerating and lying about what is going on except for the gas industry. what other industry sought for and got exemption from the EPA. Why are Pennsylvania inspectors forbidden to stop work without approval from the Harrisburg. We that are living in the area are told that we do not know what is going on while people being paid by the industry know all. What is in the fracking fluid that they are hiding and why do they misrepresent ( not lying mind you) about the amount of the mystery chemicals present.

Each company probbaly has their own recipe and they would prefer that the other companies not know what it is. Many states (NY and WY are two that I know of) require that the companies tell the department that regulates them what is in the mix, but they can request that it not be shared due to trade secrets.

Last year we had a meeting at the fire hall with reps from the gas industry PA state police and the DCNR. The arguments from those on this forum that support the fracking are almost word for word what the spokesmen from the gas industry at the meeting said. Odd to me

Are you accusing the posters on this thread of being paid off by the gas companies? Perhaps this happens because many on here think logically, have researched the subject and have come to similar conclusions as to what the truth is.
I personally dont work for any gas company. In fact, I have relatives that do QA (supplier procedural audits) for the Nuclear Power Industry.

The highlight of the meeting was after we were told that the drivers always obeyed the speed limit and were courteous drivers. As we were leaving one came by, hauling A**. The troopers pulled him over while we were all cheering.

Personally, if we were having issues with trucks from ANY company causing problems like you describe, I would do 4 things:
1. Get a dash camera like I posted the link to earlier
2. Get the number of the dispatch office, the how's my driving number, or whoever is in charge of the truckers) and set it as a speed dial in my phone (if worried about retaliation, pay cash for a prepaid phone and use that)
3. When I saw a truck driver misbehaving, I would note the time, date, plate number and location, the call the number from step 2 with that information
4. If I didn't see improvement, I would send my state representative and a local news station the list of the incidents informing them that I have video to back them up.

I would be surprised if the higher ups approve of the truck drivers running people off of the road, but the truck drivers are probbaly compensated by the mile driven or the tonnage hauled, so they are going as fast as they can.
The drivers probbaly also get chewed out/fined if there are enough complaints about their driving, so if people report the issues that they see, the truckers WILL slow down and be more careful.
If they have a similar meeting again, you can bring your event log and say, I have complained about truck x 5 times, but they are still running people off of the road. Here are the videos of the incidents.

As the old saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Aaron Z

 

[Ken]

Information on Earth Quakes.

Arkansas Earthquake Swarms, New Madrid or Natural Gas? - Modern Survival Blog surviving uncertain times

http://www.geology.arkansas.gov/maps_pdf/geohazards/CentralArkansasMediaMap.pdf

Earthquakes in Arkansas May Be Man-Made, Experts Warn | Fox News

Wasn't there a time the Mississippi Flowed backwards. wondering how the Reelfoot lakes came about?
2012 Extinction-Part 6 New Madrid Earthquake Fault Will Divide The American Con183.wmv - YouTube

Egon I reading all of this and having a hoot trying to figure out where all the crap is being gererated from
I live in Ark. about 15 miles from the "earthquakes and gas flowing from the wells water contamination." Only one who don't own land are puishing this concept.
The earth quakes were occuring before the gas drilling showed up But when the deep water injection of water begin there was a small increase in the shakes. So wells were cemented and plugged not used quakes continued.
The leaking into the water zone near Quitmon Ark. reporters swarmed for pictures wet there britches in excitement then owner said it has been going on for 50 years. had capped the well and was using for his own needs. Seeco purchased the property to keep the false reporting from continuing.
The workers that have came in several attend our church when there not working. 16 hrs a day and every 2 weeks a couple of days off. I have met workers from Russia, Africia Europian countrys .As well from area states. Trucking companys keep trying to locate workers payment is 95 per hour to drive. Only problem have to pass the drug test.
Now the amount of money that is being spent in the state.
Before taxes my payment for the extracted gas no wells on the property. amounts to about 200 bucks per acre per month. Not bad for country land. Then the taxes 35% Fed. +10%State + the county perked up figured out needed to pay mineral tax on per acre basis not amount extracted.
This land has been leased by oil companys since the mid 1920's several wells for testing was done 50 years ago only just now needing the gas. The expected well use should be around 30 years.
I am for the gas Companys The trucking companys drive 25 MPH on gravel roads 45MPH on county roads and legal speed on state highway. Also if they get a neg. report on there driving talked to the 2nd warning there gone.
I've rambled but more people involved need to write whats going on.
Egon wasn't sending this to you only it was where the information was posted.
ken

 

[Ken]

Yes I 100% believe that, and I have inside knowledge

Catfish man could this be called "Elephant snot " by the workers . Hear on the radio around the drill rigs a trucker requesting to come to head of line to get rid of his load .
Enjoy your accurate description of what is going on.
Have you noticed the faith people believe in wickepida reporting. (If 2 agree must be a fact)
ken

 

[RoyJackson]

Thank good old Dick Cheney for fracing. If the fluid's benign why did they exempt it from the Safe Drinking Water Act? I wouldn't want it in my back yard or anywhere close.

Daily Kos: Dick Cheney and Halliburton: Hydraulic Fracturing Chemicals in YOUR Drinking Water.

John

A good question, but definitely not an impartial site.

 

[Catfish Man]

Catfish man could this be called "Elephant snot " by the workers . Hear on the radio around the drill rigs a trucker requesting to come to head of line to get rid of his load .
Enjoy your accurate description of what is going on.
Have you noticed the faith people believe in wickepida reporting. (If 2 agree must be a fact)
ken

I have never heard it called that, but it's a good possibility, they have slang for everything. I'm never on location for the fracking. And sometimes different areas have different slang words for stuff.

Also I think there is a lot of misunderstanding of what is done with the fluid after the frack job. It is not simply left in the well or left in a pit somewhere on the property, all of the fluids used (mostly water) are recovered and transported to the next well and re-used over and over.

As far as the trucking goes, I'm currently on a rig in North Central West Virginia. We have a self imposed truck blackout during the morning hours when school buses are running and everyone is trying to get to work, and again in the afternoon hours. All trucks bigger than a pickup coming to the rig have to meet an escort truck at the interstate and be escorted into the rig.

The other day it was snowing, a truck was coming in, a jeep stopped and waited for the escort to pass, then continued. The truck driver choose to put his truck in the ditch to avoid hitting the young man in the jeep. Our roads were blocked for hours, because of this incident. It would have been a bad situation if emergency vehicles would have needed to get to our site.

I'm not saying that it is done everywhere like this, we are drilling for a major gas company. You would recognize the name if I named them. My point is, it works both ways.

I drive a half ton pickup and I have personally been put in the ditch more than once by locals close to a rig. I almost think some people are cruising the roads trying to get run off the road by a gas truck so they can profit from it.

Again I'm not making broad generalizations and saying that it is the same everywhere, some companies definitely make better neighbors than others.
I'm just speaking from personal experience.

 

[Egon]

Thanks for reporting from "The Field" Ken.