Started burning E85

[Redneck in training]

I'm for it, but I'm reserved about it.
3. Switch grass grows and regenerates in wetter ground because it dies and feeds itself the next year. Once we use it, and cut and haul away the grass, it will need fertilizer just like any other crop.
--->Paul

You can bring the ash back to return all the minerals back to the soil.

 

[rambler]

If we want to make the most of our resources, the same solution is not going to work for everyone.

Plus one for that.

People with natural gas wells in their back yard say we should do compressed natural gas.

People with corn and soybeans in their back yard say we should use bio fuels.

People who drive short distances with little snow & cold say we should drive electric vehicles.

There are flaws with all of these.

One person is just a nay-sayer, with great nashing of teeth, woe unto all of us but no solutions or ideas.....

In the past whale oil was traded as a bulk commodity, was a major fuel source. Was probably a flaw with that source too, it doesn't seem to be around any more.

Be interesting to see where we go from here. Petro chemicals will be around a long time yet, but interesting to see where we go in the long haul.

--->Paul

 

[Iowachild]

Not to beat a dead horse, but the ethanol subsidy ended on Jan 1st. So, no more of that.

durning the past 20 years, ethanol use has raised the price of corn 10-15 cents a bu, thus lowering the grain subsidies as well. That was one of the points of ethanol, taking a product we have too much of - corn - and finding a market for it. Farmers around me put up their own money to build the cooperative ethanol plants. So ethanol has reduced subsidy costs in some ways.

Every segment of the USA seems to have some subsidies. Rentals in major cities, I always hear of rent controlled, subsidised. Pipelines to carry perto fuels get subsidised. The Chevy Volt is a clear example of other forms of energy getting subsidised.

When used, as ethanol has been, to get a new infrastructure started to help replace an old, well-subsidised floundering infrastructure, perhaps a subsidy isn't always a 100% bad thing? The ethanol subsidy ended now, and we will see if ethanol continues. We are in strange ecconomic times, and with Americans driving less, using less fuel, it is difficult to sell enough ethanol. Exports to Brazil help, and:

Subsidies have ended on it. What other segment of USA society can say that subsidies have gotten smaller or ended??????????

Time will tell.

--->Paul

Not Gone...Just Hidden Better

 

[Timber]

I'll stick with it as long as I have a convienent supply.

 

[Timber]

11 MPG is pretty consistent with a 6.0 V8 burning E85

 

[Diamondpilot]

11 MPG is pretty consistent with a 6.0 V8 burning E85

Thats about what I figured. Like I stated earlier in my Ford and my co workers Yukon XL that is about what we go versus getting about 16 mpg with 87 octane.

It has about 30% less energy so the only way I will buy it is if its 30% less expensive but that is not the case anymore around here. Its about 8-10% then regular 87.

Chris

 

[biggerten]

Good ethanol can run from $50 to $100 per gallon depending on purity and the reputation of the guy that made it..I can buy gasoline all day for less than $4 per gallon. James K0UA

There's a profit to be made here. Distill the ethanol out of the E85 you bought at $4 per gallon. Put the gas back in your tank for fuel (still $4 per gallon). Now, sell the $4 per gallon ethanol at $50 to $100 per gallon.

Don't have to buy any corn or sugar, to boot.


I hope nobody else in the thread thought of this, I'm not going to read the whole thread.

 

[k0ua]

There's a profit to be made here. Distill the ethanol out of the E85 you bought at $4 per gallon. Put the gas back in your tank for fuel (still $4 per gallon). Now, sell the $4 per gallon ethanol at $50 to $100 per gallon.

Don't have to buy any corn or sugar, to boot.


I hope nobody else in the thread thought of this, I'm not going to read the whole thread.

gonna be hard to enjoy your profits from inside the "pokey":laughing: and I am betting that you are going to have a hard time getting all of that gasoline flavor out of your "lightning" Talk about MD2020 and Ripple haveing a bad taste... whew!! gasoline flavored white lightning...:thumbdown:

(I would not be surprised to hear of someone trying it though)

James K0UA

 

[biggerten]

gonna be hard to enjoy your profits from inside the "pokey":laughing: and I am betting that you are going to have a hard time getting all of that gasoline flavor out of your "lightning" Talk about MD2020 and Ripple haveing a bad taste... whew!! gasoline flavored white lightning...:thumbdown:

(I would not be surprised to hear of someone trying it though)

James K0UA

Heck, just bottle it as single malt and the snobbies on the coasts will pay top buck! :thumbsup:

Edit: Be sure to call it "Whisky" and not "Whiskey", you'll separate them from their money that much more easily.

 

[Iowachild]

There's a profit to be made here. Distill the ethanol out of the E85 you bought at $4 per gallon. Put the gas back in your tank for fuel (still $4 per gallon). Now, sell the $4 per gallon ethanol at $50 to $100 per gallon.

Don't have to buy any corn or sugar, to boot.


I hope nobody else in the thread thought of this, I'm not going to read the whole thread.

You don't have to distill it out, just add water, let it separate and drain it out. There are people already doing this to save their older small engines.

Fortunately I have a source of non-SNAFU gasoline.:thumbsup:

OH and BTW The ethanol comes to our refinery with an additive that makes it unsuitable for drinking.