Tires industrial tires vs agri

[SPYDERLK]

Thanks everybody. I decided to call the dealer and ask. They will pick up/drop off for free and change tires to agri. With the beet juice for free. Awesome dealer, better price....great price with a couple of impliments at cost, free ballast. Felt like I was buying from a family member. I will hope all your opinions are right and improve traction. Will have done next week and give an update. Thanks again...this forum is awesome!

:thumbsup: AGs offer adjustable width settings. Choose yours and have them set it during installation. I recommend the widest rear your personal setting can accommodate. ... Slightly less front, but enuf to give full steering lock.
larry

 

[koisw]

Well to give an update. Dealer swapped out tires, with widest setting, and put on a Rankin toothbar. Put 4 hours moving dirt. Still too wet to fix any of my drainage probs. But it certainly drives right through it now. Much better traction. Just about rolled it over into my pond, front right sank fast with a load in the bucket...luckily I slammed the bucket down right before it went over. I just about pooped my pants. Wouldn't that've been sweet with 12 hours on the clock

 

[Alien]

So easy to do koisw. People forget that there is NO STABILITY from the front wheels owing to the swinging front end. All stability is governed by just your Rear wheels.
My CK30 has ag tyres and still gets stuck if I am not super careful because when those little front wheels break through the top soil the back ones then decide it's all too hard. Longest I have been stuck is six weeks. Poor little baby had to sit out in the rain all that time.

 

[Reg]

Well to give an update. Dealer swapped out tires, with widest setting, and put on a Rankin toothbar. Put 4 hours moving dirt. Still too wet to fix any of my drainage probs. But it certainly drives right through it now. Much better traction. Just about rolled it over into my pond, front right sank fast with a load in the bucket...luckily I slammed the bucket down right before it went over. I just about pooped my pants. Wouldn't that've been sweet with 12 hours on the clock

Interesting that you consider it a GOOD thing to now be able to get INTO a pond and sink a front wheel with a loaded bucket (-:
I predict that soiling your underwear will soon become a relatively minor issue to you.

I think your first guess was the correct one;
"Am I being optimistic that it should be able to do loader dirt work while its so wet ?"
To which my answer would be "YES, let things dry out some" but it seems you wanted to get IN the pond, that isn't "dirt work", it is dredging.

Did you ever check the load ratings on the FRONT R1s ?
They are typically NOT rated high enough for loader work.
Remember that whatever is in that bucket is cantilevered out 4 ft or more beyond the front axle, i.e. the front tires bear more than just the weight of the bucket and its contents, you can't go by the loader's lift capacity either.
It would be best to actually WEIGH the front end if you can, with a representative load.

To quote SPYDERLK in part:
"If you can do with the ground disturbance AGs are the way to go<snip>"

Where "ground disturbance" basically means they are likely to churn the ground up so badly that you will NEED them to get out of the ruts they cut.

Getting out of a pond with a blown out front tire is something I have no experience in, doubtless SOMEONE in this forum does and will be able to advise you on that when the time comes (-:

 

[Chilly807]

For wet sloppy conditions Ags are the traditional choice, they do provide more traction. Typically narrower tire sizes compared to the same tractor with R4s, which provides more bite as well since the lugs have more down pressure.

As Larry mentioned, be sure to have max inflation pressure in the fronts for any loader work at all, the front tires on mine developed sidewall bulges from de-lamination after a tough summer of heavy loader work. They weren't set at max pressure, so I'm hoping the new ones do better.

Check both the loader manual and the basic tractor manual for recommended pressures, they will be different depending for loader use. I simply leave mine at 36 psi now, no problems so far.

You mentioned not being able to adjust the rear pressures because of filled tires. They should only be 75% full, so you can still vary the air pressure to suit your use. Put the valve stem at the 12 o'clock position, jack the rear wheel off the ground, and check the pressure. There are special gauges for filled tires, check your tire or auto parts dealer for these.


Sean

 

[koisw]

Yes, agreed Reg, I think a bit of patience is required. I will check tire pressures but at this point I will have to focus on other projects like fence building. However after drilling post holes I soon realized that they are half full of water also. Summer will be busy digging drainage swales. Looks like all the adjacent properties drain to mine:-( That is what you get when 3 ft down is all clay. I suppose that's why when drilling for a water well I hit water at 20 ft. Wanted to get feild ready to plant but will wait for next year.

 

[herefromthere]

However after drilling post holes I soon realized that they are half full of water also. Summer will be busy digging drainage swales. Looks like all the adjacent properties drain to mine:-( That is what you get when 3 ft down is all clay. I suppose that's why when drilling for a water well I hit water at 20 ft. Wanted to get feild ready to plant but will wait for next year.

If that's the Snohomish I'm familiar with, I feel your pain here in Skagit. If there was a year for ag tires, this would be it. Still, I'm leaning towards buying industrials. They should work ok for at least those two weeks of summer we might get in August. Since I have lots of hills/slopes, I like the lower and wider profile of the R4's. The extra plies will make me feel a little more secure with all the blackberries, salmon berries, and brush.

 

[koisw]

Don't know what sort of soil condition you have in Skagit but I'm stoked with the agri tires. I did 4 hours of loader work with them and 3 of box blade today and I have to say way better traction. Way better. I'm so glad to have changed them. Yesterday I dug a trench to relieve water height on my pond and I had to go through 2.5 feet of muddy clay...with the industrial tires it would still be stuck out there.

 

[wolc123]

The biggest problem with R4's is 90% of CUT's are sold with them so that stacks the deck against the AG guys on an internet forum like this. I cant tell you the number of times I have heard things like "greater puncture resistance", "better load capacity", and I could go on and on. All that is fine and dandy but it wont help them folks in the mud, soft ground, or snow&ice. It is refreshing to hear from someone who has really seen first hand the great superiority of the R1 tire in these conditions.

 

[DKCDKC]

For all around off-road, off-lawn use, I totally go with ag tires. Several times my ag tired 2wd JD pulled out stuck 4WD tractors with turf tires. My new JD CUT with ag tires goes anywhere on my farm... Muddy roads, across muddy creek fords, thick leaf cover in the forest... Haven't tested them on snow yet... We haven't had any this year. But I expect good things from them for that as well. In many years of owning or using tractors with ag tires in fields, forest and heavy brush, I've never punctured a tire yet. I don't expect to pop one of the tires on this new tractor either.