Titanic sinking a century ago

   / Titanic sinking a century ago #41  
6 day kayak "expedition" in Idaho. This was in June, but with the snow melt off the mountains, that water is cold LOL
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Hate to admit it, I'm starting not to miss COLD water.

I like to do long overnight paddles, errr, let me rephrase that, I like to take long kayak/canoe trips with overnight stays. :laughing::laughing::laughing: never did one that was six days though! Not doing white water either. :D

I never wanted to be IN the cold water in the first place! :laughing: I could only tolerate cold spring water in FLA for only so long! :D:D:D

Later,
Dan
 
   / Titanic sinking a century ago #42  
anyone think that if after the collission that if she would have made full ahead that she might have had a better chance to meet the carpathia? keep the bow up?

I think full speed ahead would have just flooded the ship faster. The only real chance they had was to plug the leak. But if the leak was as long as it has been stated it would have been impossible to plug.

I wonder how long the ship had power and steerage. Could she have turned in the direction of the California and coasted.....

The question of getting on the ice berg was asked in one of the shows but I did not hear a good answer. My best guess is that that ice berg was miles behind the ship since it takes a long time for a ship to stop. Even if the ice was near by getting on the ice would be problematic. MAYBE shuttling people to the ice from the boats but getting out of the water onto the ice is problematic as well....

Later,
Dan
 
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I think full speed ahead would have just flooded the ship faster. The only real chance they had was to plug the leak. But if the leak was as long as it has been stated it would have been impossible to plug.

I wonder how long the ship had power and steerage. Could she have turned in the direction of the California and coasted.....

The question of getting on the ice berg was asked in one of the shows but I did not hear a good answer. My best guess is that that ice berg was miles behind the ship since it takes a long time for a ship to stop. Even if the ice was near by getting on the ice would be problematic. MAYBE shuttling people to the ice from the boats but getting out of the water onto the ice is problematic as well....

Later,
Dan

I saw that proposal at the end of the program, they didn't really discuss the issue of getting people to and on the berg at all....just threw out the idea. I really did not think people could hang onto a vertical chunk of ice for very long even if they had tried that. About plugging the leaks, I think the ship carried collision mats but the damaged areas were so deep underwater it would have taken too long to place the mats to do much good. And as far as trying to move the ship forward, while trying to load and launch the lifeboats on a moving deck...it was chaos enough on a stopped ship.
 
   / Titanic sinking a century ago #44  
my point was.. with steaming ahead.. wouldn't the bow have been raised, perhaps taking on less water. and closing the distance to carpathia? forgo launching the live boats till the bow deck was plowing just above the water.. still plenty of time had they been semi organized about it...
 
   / Titanic sinking a century ago #45  
There was talk of why not try to make a run for the pack ice that was 5 or 6 miles away according to the radio reports they had. But the captain was criticized for running as long as he did and shoving more pressure into the hull breech. As for the offending iceberg it was miles behind when they stopped, and you could never get on it to begin with as it was taller than the ship. But all moot points, because when the captain realized from the damage reports that the ship was actually going to sink it was too late to do anything about it. The tragedy was not filling the first lifeboats to capacity. Hundreds more could have been saved. The mistake before that was not paying more attention to what radio reports they had of growlers and pack ice in their path and Ismay ( chairman of the board of White Star) actually suggesting they should try to outrun it and put on more speed. He was He** bent on getting in to NYC on time or before. Another fact I learned just this month was that the radio was inoperable about 7 hours before the striking of the iceberg, and the 2 radio operators (not employees of the ship line, but employees of Marconi radio company) had worked all evening to repair it. And had only gotten it going again a few hours before the strike. This caused them to be backed up with outgoing paying passenger radio traffic. This is what payed the bills and their salaries. And was part of the cause of the unpleasant radio exchange with the nearby ship California's radio operator. The message "shut up shut up I am working Cape Race" was sent his way, which angered him, and he turned of the rig and went to bed. In those days it was normal to only have 1 radio operator on board, if any at all. Titanic carried 2 and a very large 5KW spark rig. The California was less than 5 miles away, but did not hear the CQD call (forerunner to SOS) because the tee'd off operator had went to bed. Also it is alleged, and testified to by the one surviving operator (McBride) that the other operator, (cannot remember his name) had placed another ice warning message under his coffee cup and not delivered it to the bridge because he was so busy sending passenger traffic because of the backlog. All in all a comedy of errors all coming together for a great loss of life.. Please note, 100 years later, the sinking of the Concordia, another comedy of errors also resulting in loss of life. Live and learn?.. um.. not so much.

James K0UA
 
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The saddest thing about the huge loss of life is that there were so many factors combined that sank the ship--sailing too fast, no binoculars for the lookouts, ice warnings not being delivered or simply ignored, the iceberg being almost invisible, the lack of moonlight for visibility, the placement of the damages to the hull, etc.

Back about 1980 I was reading a story about a jetliner crash with a huge loss of life that was caused by many factors, and the closing sentence was "They must have stayed up nights planning this one, everybody lent a hand..."
 
   / Titanic sinking a century ago #47  
My wife is a Titanic fan. Two summers ago on vacation to St Augustine Florida we took a day trip to Orlando to the Titanic museum there. They had some deck chairs that had floated to a rescue ship and other artifacts. They also had an Iceberg wall to feel what the water was that night. They also did the ticket thing where you are given a ticket and a history. My wife made it I didnt lol. Its a pretty neat little visit.
 
   / Titanic sinking a century ago #48  
did anyone catch the miniseries ( 4 episodes ) on abc that just came out.. I missed them :(
 
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did anyone catch the miniseries ( 4 episodes ) on abc that just came out.. I missed them :(

I saw all of them...kind of confusing as the setting kept flashing back and forth from the past to the present, (night of the sinking)with several repeated scenes...I really enjoyed the episodes though. Especially because of the actress Jenna-Louise Coleman.....HOTTIE !!!!
 
   / Titanic sinking a century ago #50  
1958 "A night to remember" is supposed to be one of the better films that depicts the history/events of the boat based off a novel written shortly before.

Came across it by accident and thought I'd share if anyone didn't know.
 

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