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   / Learning how #31  
I've read a couple of different things, not all of which make sense to me (not saying they aren't correct, just saying I don't understand them).

The piece that I don't quite follow is that AC is much more likely to cause heart defibrillation when the path of the current coursing through your body does not pass directly through the heart. And, this would be the case for shocks that don't pass through the left arm.

The piece that DOES make sense to me is that an AC power source is directly grounded to earth. This means that the ground extends all the way out to the torch, and touching a single wire (that's live) can shock you. With DC, you have to "complete the loop" through your body back to the DC Ground.

Either way, there are a couple of principles that I always keep in mind when working with anything electrical..

- Electricity takes the path of LEAST RESISTANCE to ground. If you're welding, and have you have an excellent ground on your work, "you" should never become part of that path (even if you're all sweaty, with no shirt on, lying on your back, on an unpainted steel surface, and you're welding something that's in contact with that surface).

- Shocks through your *left* arm are much more dangerous than those through your right arm because the current passes THROUGH your heart on its way to ground.
 
   / Learning how #32  
Some people don't worry about it! :laughing:
 

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   / Learning how #34  
From:
The Path of Least Resistance | content content from Electrical Construction and Maintenance (EC and M) Magazine

"Electricity does take low-resistance paths, including the one of least resistance. But it also takes every other path available to it."

Something else to consider, though, is this...

When you have a path that is direct to ground, the resistance is essentially zero. Assuming the resistance is actually zero would mean that the current would be infinite. And, if that were the case, there would be "no current left over" to pass through the other paths that *do* have resistance.

The human body conducts electricity because of the water and salt in our cells. But, it's a fair amount of resistance, especially when compared to a direct earth ground (which is essentially no resistance).
 
   / Learning how #35  
So if someone was being electrocuted and they were barefooted standing in water all the electricity would be surging through there body to ground. If ypu touched them wearing rubber shoes you wouldn't be shocked. I believe you would.
 
   / Learning how #36  
So if someone was being electrocuted and they were barefooted standing in water all the electricity would be surging through there body to ground. If ypu touched them wearing rubber shoes you wouldn't be shocked. I believe you would.

Jesse as long as the dielectric properties (insulating properties) of the rubber shoes held up to the applied voltage you would not be "shocked" You would be energized, but no current would flow and you would be uninjured. This is why lineman can touch a hi voltage line without being shocked. Energized or having your body rise to the applied voltage is not a problem except when the voltage gets to the hundreds of thousands of volts, and then the coronal effects can make it difficult to see. Now back to your theoretical person in good (non leaky:) ) rubber boots Let say they touch the person that is having the heck shocked out of them and they wont feel a thing. Now have a third person with the bare feet standing in the salt water come over and touch the person wearing the rubber boots . Now all three persons including the guy wearing the rubber boots are going to get the heck shocked out of them. what is the difference between person number 1 and person number 3 you say? well no current will flow to the boot wearer from touching no. 1 because there is no return path, even tho the boot wearer is energized from touching no.1 guy. so when no.3 guy touches the other side of boot wearer, he completes a path from the source voltage which is no.1 guy THRU boot wearer to the return path of no.3 guy. Savvy?

James K0UA
 
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   / Learning how #37  
Birds land on one high voltage power line many times. Birds land on two high voltage power lines once.

:)

Bruce
 
   / Learning how #38  
Birds land on one high voltage power line many times. Birds land on two high voltage power lines once.

:)

Bruce


Yep always stay with your phase.

James K0UA
 
   / Learning how #40  
Jesse as long as the dielectric properties (insulating properties) of the rubber shoes held up to the applied voltage you would not be "shocked" You would be energized, but no current would flow and you would be uninjured. This is why lineman can touch a hi voltage line without being shocked. Energized or having your body rise to the applied voltage is not a problem except when the voltage gets to the hundreds of thousands of volts, and then the coronal effects can make it difficult to see. Now back to your theoretical person in good (non leaky:) ) rubber boots Let say they touch the person that is having the heck shocked out of them and they wont feel a thing. Now have a third person with the bare feet standing in the salt water come over and touch the person wearing the rubber boots . Now all three persons including the guy wearing the rubber boots are going to get the heck shocked out of them. what is the difference between person number 1 and person number 3 you say? well no current will flow to the boot wearer from touching no. 1 because there is no return path, even tho the boot wearer is energized from touching no.1 guy. so when no.3 guy touches the other side of boot wearer, he completes a path from the source voltage which is no.1 guy THRU boot wearer to the return path of no.3 guy. Savvy?

James K0UA

BTDT... My dad like to play that trick on us when we were kids. He'd be wearing his rubber irrigating boots and touch the electric fence to make us think it wasn't on. Then we'd touch it and discover otherwise. One of us discovered one day that if we touched him while he was touching the fence he got shocked, too. He didn't play that trick on us so much anymore after that.
 

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