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Come on, don't be coy. Define whatd you mean by "curtailing religion". Not allowed to promote shcool prayer part of it?

Harry K

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...."

If I want to pray in school, out loud or otherwise, so long as it's not during class time, that says I can, it doesn't say I have to or that others should, just that I can.
 
   / Global Warming? #2,872  
Uh; having discussions on water density, it's cause and effect could be more interesting!:)
 
   / Global Warming? #2,873  
Uh; having discussions on water density, it's cause and effect could be more interesting!:)

Why H20's viscosity changes below 32 degrees Fahrenheit, and how to marginalize those effects....:D
 
   / Global Warming? #2,874  
toppop52 said:
If I want to pray in school, out loud or otherwise, so long as it's not during class time, that says I can, it doesn't say I have to or that others should, just that I can.

I don't believe that the most ardent atheist would argue that an individual cannot offer a non disruptive individual prayer in a public school. That has never been the issue. The constitutional battle has been over group prayer led by a teacher or other person.
 
   / Global Warming? #2,875  
I don't believe that the most ardent atheist would argue that an individual cannot offer a non disruptive individual prayer in a public school. That has never been the issue. The constitutional battle has been over group prayer led by a teacher or other person.

Why doesn't the teacher and any group of students wishing to do so have the same rights?
 
   / Global Warming? #2,876  
I for one am glad the courts removed government sponsored or mandated religion from our schools.

I attended school prior to the US Supreme Court’s decision on State sponsored prayer in schools. I have had the opportunity to observe State Sponsored Religion in action in a public school environment.

The school I attended had a policy where each day a different student on a rotational basic had to stand in front of the class and lead the class in a Christian prayer. Failure to do so resulted in corporal punishment.

Do I think any child should be subjected to such treatment? No I do not. Will I demand and support bringing criminal charges against anyone who practices such a medieval promotion of a religious belief, YES.

I wonder what parents would say if a school age child of today came home and told them he was beaten because he refused to lead the class in the five times daily prayers of a middle east religious belief.

If parents feel religion and prayer is so important in their children’s life teach it at home. Better yet instead of hanging out in a bar on Saturday night stay at home and take children to a church on Sunday morning.

Given the number and diverse religious beliefs in the United States we all need to remember one thing, “Our rights, religious or otherwise ends where someone’s else begins”. Because we put our left shoe on first every time does not make our religious or individual rights truncate, diminish or negate the rights of others.
 
   / Global Warming? #2,877  
I for one am glad the courts removed government sponsored or mandated religion from our schools.

I attended school prior to the US Supreme Court’s decision on State sponsored prayer in schools. I have had the opportunity to observe State Sponsored Religion in action in a public school environment.

The school I attended had a policy where each day a different student on a rotational basic had to stand in front of the class and lead the class in a Christian prayer. Failure to do so resulted in corporal punishment.

Do I think any child should be subjected to such treatment? No I do not. Will I demand and support bringing criminal charges against anyone who practices such a medieval promotion of a religious belief, YES.

I wonder what parents would say if a school age child of today came home and told them he was beaten because he refused to lead the class in the five times daily prayers of a middle east religious belief.

If parents feel religion and prayer is so important in their children’s life teach it at home. Better yet instead of hanging out in a bar on Saturday night stay at home and take children to a church on Sunday morning.

Given the number and diverse religious beliefs in the United States we all need to remember one thing, “Our rights, religious or otherwise ends where someone’s else begins”. Because we put our left shoe on first every time does not make our religious or individual rights truncate, diminish or negate the rights of others.

I don't think anyone in this discussion would be on board with state sponsored forced prayer.
 
   / Global Warming? #2,878  
Uh; having discussions on water density, it's cause and effect could be more interesting!:)

I agree. I served in a British Thermal Unit during WWII, so I am more than qualified. I have experience with tensiometers, calorimeters, viscometers, thermometers and densitometers. I also drink the stuff, pump it, spray it and bath in it. I even add a bit of it to my rum and Coke in its crystilline, solid form. AND I would venture that TBN members are much more experienced with it than with the science of global warming. :rolleyes:
 
   / Global Warming? #2,879  
I don't think anyone in this discussion would be on board with state sponsored forced prayer.

When you have a person in the position of "TEACHER" or someone else employed by the State, County, City or School District standing in front of a group of students or others and leading the group in prayer, you have State Sponsored Religion.
 
   / Global Warming? #2,880  
If I want to pray in school, out loud or otherwise, so long as it's not during class time, that says I can, it doesn't say I have to or that others should, just that I can.

Silent prayer has never been in question. Now, what would be the motivation to pray out loud in a public school other than to draw attention to one's holiness or to try to convince others? After 20 years in the public school I would find audible prayers in the classroom or hallway a problem. A group that meets at school for that purpose is not a problem. There was a group at my school that met around the flagpole to pray (I assume) before homeroom in the morning. If the group met in a hallway at that time of day it would be disruptive. Any meeting in the hallway would be a problem if the level of the communitcation was too high.
There is also a level of noise on a public sidewalk that would be a problem.

Your interpretaion of "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." is also a problem. We have free speech yet cannot holler "fire" in some settings anymore than disruptive praying or proselytizing in a school hallway.

Loren
 
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