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   / Global Warming? #3,031  
I think the oil market is manipulated to keep the prices up. Does not matter how much oil hits the market- someone will find a way to run the price up- close a refinery for cleaning, buy a supertanker of oil and let iy sit until the price is up, etc. . Oil people are addicted to our dollars- they just can't get enough!
 
   / Global Warming? #3,032  
tcreeley said:
I think the oil market is manipulated to keep the prices up. Does not matter how much oil hits the market- someone will find a way to run the price up- close a refinery for cleaning, buy a supertanker of oil and let iy sit until the price is up, etc. . Oil people are addicted to our dollars- they just can't get enough!

It is true that prices at this level make more oil available. At $10-$20 a barrel, some techniques for oil collection were not economical. So, some of the higher price is for the new technological methods.

You are pointing out an example of "the tragedy of the commons" Tragedy of the commons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia which is an important conundrum in economic/political theory. Yes, one way to enforce compliance with "common good" goals is to for example put a $5/gallon tax on gas which would give us European prices and force everyone except Mitt Romney's wife to drive smaller cars. I don't deny that sort of maneuvering might come to pass here as it has overseas if the political climate changes. So long as we don't just piss the extra revenue away, that might both cut carbon and the deficit although it would clearly penalize suburban and rural families far more than those who live where public transport or smaller cars are already the norm.

So I agree money is not irrelevant. However, what you are saying, smarty pants, is that money trumps science and reality. You'd rather remain dumb on the climate science because you fear where it may lead. You would rather protect your conservative financial views than understand what science tells us about the climate because you fear the consequences of the science driven public policy. That's kinda bass ackards don't you think? Kinda like the Pope in Galileo's time.

I'd say it is most important to get the science right and then debate how best to proceed.


As Island Tractor posted above, it does not matter what oil costs, anyway. The followers/believers of the Climate Change movement fully intend to TAX oil, coal, electricity, water, food... beyond the ability to be used productively.

"Preservation is progress" is a sign I saw on route 1 today... somewhere between Wiscasset and Rockland. Preserving the earth, at the expense of humanity...is progressive. It matters not how much of the human race falls in the process. Over population of the earth is another concern to the progressive, evolutionary, Climate Change movement. When we exhale CO2, we "pollute". When we flatulate (I don't think conservatives do this, it must be a leftist pollutant, IMO) methane, we pollute.

Well... all those european ideas are pure economical genius...right? I mean, look how great it's working for them...


Happy Thanksgiving :drink:

Between me and you (you and I...for the literary critics), I thanked God today... for a lot. You're :welcome: to do the same. :anyone:
 
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Oil is a finite resource, I learned in 1964, from a textbook written in 1960, that we had 14 years of oil left in the world! What have we been using since 1974? :laughing:
 
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Oil is a finite resource, I learned in 1964, from a textbook written in 1960, that we had 14 years of oil left in the world! What have we been using since 1974? :laughing:

Google search: "where does oil come from"

The Mysterious Origin and Supply of Oil | LiveScience

Where does oil really come from?
"It remains, however, only an article of faith that oil and natural gas are biological in origin; scientific proof is absent."



Progressive ponderment... "hmmm... unlimited oil... unlimited TAX?"
 
   / Global Warming? #3,035  
You do realize that oil and gas are a finite resource? Once it is gone it is gone forever. No, we haven't found all of it yet but we will eventually.

Harry K

It is not only that. There is also cheap oil and expensive oil. Cheap oil is alredy gone. Now we are in expensive oil. I would be very surprised if it lasts next 30 years. Then we will be in very expensive oil and gas for that matter. Many off shore rigs drill for oil or gas in depths of 3000 ft or more. That is very expensive and difficult task. Why they are doing it? Because the easy to get (cheap) oil is gone. How do I know? I do contract work there.
 
   / Global Warming? #3,037  
What is your life expectancy today compared to your ancestors say 100 years ago? Only in poor countries where they don't have cheap abundant energy is it a dirty, polluted disease infested environment.

The air we breathe, the water we drink and the food we eat are orders of magnitude better today than at any time in human history; all due to what some call "polluting the planet".
Basic sanitation has had the most to do with the increase of life expectancy not polluting the planet.
 
   / Global Warming? #3,039  
EPA Formally Declares CO2 a Dangerous Pollutant. Liberal ignorant Moronic Koolaid drinkers will soon pass a law to forbid creatures and humans to EXHALE.
There is no credible evidence that carbon dioxide emissions cause global warming. The costs to regulate emissions will be staggering, and all for nought. There will be no demonstrable benefit. All pain and no gain.
I think if we eliminate Liberals we can save the planet much quicker

LIBERALISM is a disease in which you feel an uncontrollable urge to STEAL what someone has worked for and give it to someone who WON'T WORK!
 
   / Global Warming? #3,040  
I was really interested in one of those stoves, but couldn't afford one and the shipping. They sure look nice though and i bet you get good constant heat from it.

I do like it. I got mine on Craig's List for $800 and I was pretty happy with that. My best friend bought a Vermont Castings stove the week before for $800 too. So we were both pretty excited. I get decent use out of mine, but my buddy puts me to shame. I bet he has saved twice as much as me.
 
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