Global Warming?

[Cat_Driver]

Arguments I would like to see disappear as they have all been overused and way over distorted:

1. In the 70s scientists were predicting coolling - no they weren't a few popular press mags did but there were no climatologists doing anything like that. The argument has been debunked repeatedly even in this thread.

YA you betcha you " would like to see disappear " ALL LIBERALS want all facts to disappear so they Just puke up nonsense...sorta like saying "no climatologists doing anything like that", BUT when you include links and facts it's like spraying RAID on cockroaches.

It is well known that there were many articles in the likes of Time Magazine and Newsweek back in the 70’s, which sensationalised the ice age scare. Warmists tend to write off this episode as just media hype. But what were the scientists saying at the time?

HH Lamb was one of the leading climate scientists at the time and founded the Climatic Research Unit at the UEA. In 1973 he wrote an article, “Is The Earth’s Climate Changing?”, for the UNESCO magazine, “The Courier”. It was a special edition devoted to climate issues and in it, HH Lamb covered a number of issues.



1970’s Global Cooling – What The Scientists Said « NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT


OH SORRY for more scientific facts from the 70's by a little know obscure agency called N.A.S.A...TELL ME ONE MORE TIME.......no climatologists doing anything like that. WHAT PART OF ICE AGE DON'T you koolaid drinkers understand

Rasool and Schneider 1971

Rasool, S.I., and S.H. Schneider, 1971: Atmospheric carbon dioxide and aerosols: Effects of large increases on global climate. Science, 173, 138-141, doi:10.1126/science.173.3992.138.

Effects on the global temperature of large increases in carbon dioxide and aerosol densities in the atmosphere of Earth have been computed. It is found that, although the addition of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does increase the surface temperature, the rate of temperature increase diminishes with increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. For aerosols, however, the net effect of increase in density is to reduce the surface temperature of Earth. Because of the exponential dependence of the backscattering, the rate of temperature decrease is augmented with increasing aerosol content. An increase by only a factor of 4 in global aerosol background concentration may be sufficient to reduce the surface temperature by as much as 3.5°K. If sustained over a period of several years, such a temperature decrease over the whole globe is believed to be sufficient to trigger an ice age.


Pubs.GISS: Rasool and Schneider 1971: Atmospheric carbon dioxide and aerosols: Effects of large increases...

 

[mistermcgoo]

Stephen Schneider (RIP) was a climatologist during the 1970's Ice Age scare.

Then again, it was also Stephen Schneider (RIP) that said the following:

On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. This “double ethical bind” we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.

 

[WaxMan]

I feel really embarrassed for you Global Warming guys. Your getting hammered. Doesn't all this prove we shouldn't jump the gun.
Scientists always need something to hype about, otherwise they have really boring jobs.

Can you imagine looking at the same data day in and day out. After time you just change it up some. The ice age didn't catch on well lets see if global warming will catch on.............................

 

[Cat_Driver]

CHECK and MATE Gullible Warming nuts. 3082 posts and no one YET has proved how you can be in and ICE AGE and GLOBAL warming using the same data.
SUCKERS.

Oh what am I drinking, I'm drinking a hot fresh cup of COMMON SENSE, try it, you may just wake up from your Gullible Stupor.

I don't know what worse, a PAID UNIVERSITY Scientist saying the Globe will freeze, then the globe will catch fire, OR THE KOOLAID drinkers that believe him.

Ahhhhhhhh taking another sip of reality and common sense, try it.

 

[WaxMan]

This guy explains it better then all of us.

George Carlin on Global Warming - YouTube

 

[cqaigy2]

This guy explains it better then all of us.

George Carlin on Global Warming - YouTube

I miss George.

 

[Cat_Driver]

More Liberals rewriting ACTUAL FACTS and History, this is their Montra, If it doesn't work CHANGE HISTORY by repeating lies.

Project 21 New Visions: Blacks "Gored" By a Lie: Al Gore Sr., the GOP and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 - May 1999

 

[toppop52]

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Arguments I would like to see disappear as they have all been overused and way over distorted:

1. In the 70s scientists were predicting coolling - no they weren't a few popular press mags did but there were no climatologists doing anything like that. The argument has been debunked repeatedly even in this thread.

you know that's so much bullsh!t,!
Yes, I'm sure you would love for it to go away, but since it's true,it ain't going a place!

 

[mistermcgoo]

Hey, you cannot take away their favorite bogus dittohead arguments as they would have to actually read something other than denier blogs to do some research (or in Cat's case have an extra snort or three). Besides, you left out misquoting Feynman, the fact that the climate change has occurred before, the "fact" that there has been no warming in the past decade, that volcanos put out more CO2 than man, or my personal favorite that dinosaur farts changed the climate. Oh yeah, you also forgot all the pinko conspiracy stuff.

the "fact" that there has been no warming in the past decade

Actually it is 16+ years, but who's counting?

that volcanos put out more CO2 than man

There hasn't been a major volcano since 1992.

or my personal favorite that dinosaur farts changed the climate

Warmologists (that would include AGW True Believers), including the U.N. have said that, not skeptics.

Oh yeah, you also forgot all the pinko conspiracy stuff.

Hmm, I'm not sure which pinko conspiracy stuff you're referring to, but the BBC was caught red handed just recently conspiring to keep the names of their "climate change" committee secret. BTW, this was in the Climategate emails you say were "investigated". The BBC even paid six lawyers to keep it secret. ROFL
BREAKING: The ‘secret’ list of the BBC 28 is now public – let’s call it ‘TwentyEightGate’ | Watts Up With That?

On November 10, 2012:

When the Beeb refused to divulge who these people were and who they worked for, Newbery took the corporation to an information tribunal. Now the names and affiliations of the 28 people who decided the Beeb climate stance – acknowledged by the Corporation to include various non-scientists such as NGO people, activists etc – will remain a secret.

On November 12, 2012:

Now, thanks to the Wayback machine and Maurizio Morabito (omnologos) we can now read the list that the BBC fought to keep secret. [**** those mischevious bloggers ;-) ]

 

[mistermcgoo]

Why it will be reported 2012 was the hottest on record in the U.S.:
Smoking Gun That USHCN Adjustments Are Fraudulent | Real Science

The smoking gun is that their actual adjustments are much larger, are offset by 2.5 degrees, and that they increase exponentially after 1990 – instead of going flat as they claim.

The graph below shows the actual adjustments in blue, and the documented adjustments in red. They don’t even vaguely resemble each other. USHCN adjustments are being used as the basis of NOAA claims that 2012 is the hottest year ever – a claim which is not borne out by the temperature record.

 

[mostly_gas]

I find it very interesting that the climate change believers, in this thread, can barely understand the opposition posts... Yet we are to believe that they have expertly reviewed all of the facts and figures in the climate change debate.

Mad you give them more credit than I do. I have yet to read anything that indicates "they" can read or write English. Either that or "they" ignore inconvenient questions.

 

[/pine]

Never seen the Gore movie but read enough Feynman including the original you never read to know you misquoted him badly. I notice you've stopped using the expert quote since having that pointed out. BWAAHAAHAA. (Cat sent me his joy juice recipe).

All you "al gorians" are so lame....and no I did not misquote one of the greatest scientists of our time...I personally heard him say "science is the belief in the ignorance of experts" in a lecture he gave on the topic of science in general....you are clueless and your animosity towards anyone that you disagree with seems deeply rooted in your own ignorance on the topic...regardless of of your blather ridden pontifications on the subject....

BTW...the ONLY thing you have "pointed out" is your inability to accept things you disagree with...DUH!

...the original you never read...

...boy! does this ever prove you're not only ignorant you're a speculating goof!

 

[RobertBrown]

All you "al gorians" are so lame....and no I did not misquote one of the greatest scientists of our time...I personally heard him say "science is the belief in the ignorance of experts" in a lecture he gave on the topic of science in general....you are clueless and your animosity towards anyone that you disagree with seems deeply rooted in your own ignorance on the topic...regardless of of your blather ridden pontifications on the subject....

BTW...the ONLY thing you have "pointed out" is your inability to accept things you disagree with...DUH!
...boy! does this ever prove you're not only ignorant you're a speculating goof!

Whoa! What about his teeth?

 

[Gator6x4]

Mad you give them more credit than I do. I have yet to read anything that indicates "they" can read or write English. Either that or "they" ignore inconvenient questions.

I translated your response to French here:

Mad-vous de leur donner plus de crédit que je fais. Je n'ai pas encore lu
quoi que ce soit qui indique «ils» peuvent lire ou écrire l'anglais. Soit ça,
soit "ils" ignorer les questions qui dérangent.

And German here:

Mad man ihnen mehr Kredit als ich. Ich habe noch nichts, der angibt,
"sie" lesen oder schreiben kann Deutsch lesen. Entweder das, oder "sie"
zu ignorieren unbequeme Fragen.

So I reckon that disproves your statement that because someone believes in Climate Change they are illiterate and unable to read, understand and comprehend english. Climate Change is something I personally do not have to worry about. At my age I will be gone before the old earth is to adversely affected. I do not have any children so, no grandchildren to worry about. About all my close relatives have died, so no family tree problem. Young people of today with small children and a living family tree are the ones that needs to take a close hard look at what we, the human race have done to this rock we live on.

I like the majority of people who believe in Climate Change would just love to be here and hear the "Deniers" when they start their usual wailing, "But No One Told Me", or "But No One Explained Climate Change so I could Understand What They Were Saying".

 

[/pine]

I translated your response to French here:

Mad-vous de leur donner plus de cr馘it que je fais. Je n'ai pas encore lu
quoi que ce soit qui indique ｫilsｻ peuvent lire ou 馗rire l'anglais. Soit 軋,
soit "ils" ignorer les questions qui d駻angent.

And German here:

Mad man ihnen mehr Kredit als ich. Ich habe noch nichts, der angibt,
"sie" lesen oder schreiben kann Deutsch lesen. Entweder das, oder "sie"
zu ignorieren unbequeme Fragen.

So I reckon that disproves your statement that because someone believes in Climate Change they are illiterate and unable to read, understand and comprehend english. Climate Change is something I personally do not have to worry about. At my age I will be gone before the old earth is to adversely affected. I do not have any children so, no grandchildren to worry about. About all my close relatives have died, so no family tree problem. Young people of today with small children and a living family tree are the ones that needs to take a close hard look at what we, the human race have done to this rock we live on.

I like the majority of people who believe in Climate Change would just love to be here and hear the "Deniers" when they start their usual wailing, "But No One Told Me", or "But No One Explained Climate Change so I could Understand What They Were Saying".

Do you actually believe that anyone even minutely cognizant of the weather "denies" that we are experiencing some climate/seasonal changes?...and for the record...nobody is "wailing" more about said changes than those that think humans are ultimately responsible for something that has been occurring naturally as long as the earth (rock) has existed.

and by the way...just who has accused the al gorians of being illiterate? misguided, gullible and ovine as they are does not make them illiterate...some are even intelligent enough to learn to use internet (language translation) applications.

 

[toppop52]

While I have no dog in the hunt, as to whether any of you can communicate in one language or another, translating is as easy as clicking any one of hundreds of free online translators, so that's probably not an indicator of language skill so much as internet knowledge.

And climatologists indeed did jump on the cooling.ice age cometh, bandwagon in the seventies.

 

[toppop52]

..some are even intelligent enough to learn to use internet (language translation) applications.

Si...Oui...

 

[tcreeley]

Man does it again!
Animals are already dissolving in Southern Ocean acid - environment - 25 November 2012 - New Scientist

Animals are already dissolving in Southern Ocean acid

18:00 25 November 2012 by Michael Marshall
For similar stories, visit the Climate Change Topic Guide

In a small patch of the Southern Ocean, the shells of sea snails are dissolving. The finding is the first evidence that marine life is already suffering as a result of man-made ocean acidification.

"This is actually happening now," says Geraint Tarling of the British Antarctic Survey in Cambridge, UK. He and colleagues captured free-swimming sea snails called pteropods from the Southern Ocean in early 2008 and found under an electron microscope that the outer layers of their hard shells bore signs of unusual corrosion.

As well as warming the planet, the carbon dioxide we emit is changing the chemistry of the ocean. CO2 dissolves in water to form carbonic acid, making the water less alkaline. The pH is currently dropping at about 0.1 per century, faster than any time in the last 300 million years.

Lab experiments have shown that organisms with hard shells, such as corals and molluscs, will suffer as a result. To build their shells, corals and molluscs need to take up calcium carbonate from the water, but more carbonic acid means more hydrogen ions in the water. These react with carbonate ions, making them unavailable to form calcium carbonate.
Aragonite shortage

The most vulnerable animals are those, like pteropods, that build their shells entirely from aragonite, a form of calcium carbonate that is very sensitive to extra acidity. By 2050, there will be a severe shortage of aragonite in much of the ocean.

Aragonite is still relatively plentiful in most of the ocean, but Tarling suspected that some regions might already be affected by shortages.

He visited the Southern Ocean near South Georgia where deep water wells up to the surface. This water is naturally low in aragonite, meaning the surface waters it supplies are naturally somewhat low in the mineral although not so much so that it would normally be a problem. Add in the effect of ocean acidification, however, and Tarling found that the mineral was dangerously sparse at the surface.

"It's of concern that they can see it today," says Toby Tyrrell of the National Oceanography Centre in Southampton, UK.

Aragonite-depleted regions are still rare, but they will become widespread by 2050, says Tarling. The polar oceans will change fastest, with the tropics following a few decades after. "These pockets will start to get larger and larger until they meet," he says.

Tyrrell says the Arctic will become undersaturated with respect to aragonite before the Antarctic. Patches of undersaturation have already been seen, for instance off the north coast of Canada in 2008.

The only way to stop ocean acidification is to reduce our CO2 emissions, Tyrrell says. It has been suggested that we could add megatonnes of lime to the ocean to balance the extra acidity. However, Tyrrell says this is "probably not practical" because the amounts involved and thus the costs are enormous.

Journal reference: Nature Geoscience, DOI: 10.1038/ngeo1635

 

[Gator6x4]

I guess it is a waste of time and money for countries to send representatives to the Climate Change meeting starting Monday, November 26th, 2012 in Qatar. Since we already have information on good authority that there is no such thing as Climate Change.

The World Bank recently released a report that stated the World is on a 6.2 degree, (F) of warming. http://data.worldbank.org/sites/default/files/section3.pdf If true this would entail extreme heat waves in some locales, a declining global food supply, loss of ecosystems and life threatening sea level rises.

I recognize the World Bank is not as an authoritarian information source as Glenn Beck and “The Blaze” but it does occasionally get things right.
(I wonder if all the water pushed into NY and NJ by “Sandy” causing 29 billion dollars’ worth of damage was just the figment of their imagination or something dreamed up by Al Gore ?)

The “Great Book” does not address the fact heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide has jumped 20 percent since 2000 so it therefore is not true.

Like I have said many times, I could care less about Climate Change. I accept the fact it is occurring and recognize future generations will be impacted severely. We were warned by some economist of the economic collapse before it occurred in 2008. Did we listen? No we denied it was going to occur. Remember the crying, gnashing of teeth, and pleas for financial help that occurred in 2008 and is still occurring today?

For the short term the nation’s food supplies will decrease and become more costly. Some of this has already arrived at the local grocery store. The severe draught in the Mid-Western States in 2012 will not fully impact pocket books at the grocery store until early or late spring of 2013. For the long term the negative impact of Climate Change on me is non-existent.

 

[WaxMan]

Animals are already dissolving in Southern Ocean acid
So be it.
Watch video again, can't explain any simpler then he does. He will answer all of your concerns and in reality he is just as right as you are. In fact he makes more sense then you guys.
George Carlin on Global Warming - YouTube

This statement says it all.

The only way to stop ocean acidification is to reduce our CO2 emissions, Tyrrell says. It has been suggested that we could add megatonnes of lime to the ocean to balance the extra acidity. However, Tyrrell says this is "probably not practical" because the amounts involved and thus the costs are enormous.

BE REAL I wonder do they even listen to themselves