Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders

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   / Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders #31  
How does it hurt the person? If anything it would steer criminals away right?

Your apparent conflict with gun ownership is causing a comprehension problem. As I stated, it's not just those that choose to possess firearms that were violated but also those that don't. I presume you don't possess firearms. True or not, would you like people to know you can't provide a lethal defense of your home? I doubt it.

So you see, it is analogous and since your home address is public domain, make it easy on me and confirm your address or do you want me to keep looking?
 
   / Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders #32  
Yes, I can see that if someone was specifically looking to steal a gun such information would be helpful. Good reason to have a gun safe and alarm system if you keep guns in the house. Again though, it seems to me that the smart cat burglars are typically after much higher value items than just guns. The dumb average criminal would probably not have the wherewithal to be able to plan on how to steal a gun based on a newspaper article. Why bother when guns are so easily obtained by other means?

I am guessing you do not have a permit? I would not want it printed locally if I had one. I think it serves no purpose. If it was printing criminals who possibly had guns, then yes of course. But I'll say again these are law abiding citizens who passed background screening. It's just uncalled for.
 
   / Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders #33  
Naive. James Burke, characterized in Goodfellas, was clever enough to steal 6 million dollars or so on the Lufthansa heist. Petty criminals are just that; others can be quite resourceful but choose to live outside the law and decent society. Why give them any ammunition?

Besides, finding things in Google presents no challenge. For example, do you live on Roger Williams Lane and is that your Kubota tucked into the small stand of trees on the right side of the photo?

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Nope. Wrong place. And, my Kioti is in a barn! You identified the old Bacon Farm. Nice place right at the top of the hill. Mine is on the west side of the island and as there are only about twenty homes and maybe one barn on that side it is not that hard to find.

Your point is well taken however. I just recently informed a fellow TBNer that I was able to identify his home, his name and a number of other things simply based on a photo of his dock he posted along with his TBN info. He removed the photo.

Any criminal who has brains can learn a huge amount about you from public sources and someone like that is typically going to go out of his way to avoid a confrontation. Most criminals don't have that sort of brainpower and don't plan ahead. It is the stupid drugged up crook that is the most dangerous and I just don't see them taking advantage of Google or a newspaper map.
 
   / Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders #34  
Your apparent conflict with gun ownership is causing a comprehension problem. As I stated, it's not just those that choose to possess firearms that were violated but also those that don't. I presume you don't possess firearms. True or not, would you like people to know you can't provide a lethal defense of your home? I doubt it.

So you see, it is analogous and since your home address is public domain, make it easy on me and confirm your address or do you want me to keep looking?

I think you guys are over reacting. Middle class white males above the age of 40 and living in rural or suburban locations have one of the lowest victimization rates by gun violence of any group in the country. The people who are hurt most often by guns are poor young urban dwellers. I just don't see criminals making use of this information on gun permits. If they were going to, they would already be doing it. As noted earlier, this information is already out there it just hasn't been the focus of a newspaper article and no one has ever fed it into a geomapping bit of software before.
 
   / Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders #35  
Naive. James Burke, characterized in Goodfellas, was clever enough to steal 6 million dollars or so on the Lufthansa heist. Petty criminals are just that; others can be quite resourceful but choose to live outside the law and decent society. Why give them any ammunition?

Besides, finding things in Google presents no challenge. For example, do you live on Roger Williams Lane and is that your Kubota tucked into the small stand of trees on the right side of the photo?

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That's classic, love the point made. By the way,(who ever's house this is) that back building was not there last year. I see no permit pulled for that. You owe us tax money!
 
   / Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders #36  
That's classic, love the point made. By the way,(who ever's house this is) that back building was not there last year. I see no permit pulled for that. You owe us tax money!

The building inspector is from Portsmouth on the mainland. He hates coming to Prudence Island as most everything other than brand new construction is done without proper permits. He just doesn't want to know so he rarely takes the ferry trip. The tax surveyor will document buildings every few years so they get their money eventually.
 
   / Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders #37  
I have read the previous posts. I am curious as to why the newspaper decided to print this material. Could the newspaper's agenda be leaning politically toward gun control because of the recent shootings in Connecticut?
 
   / Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders #38  
I have read the previous posts. I am curious as to why the newspaper decided to print this material. Could the newspaper's agenda be leaning politically toward gun control because of the recent shootings in Connecticut?

Little doubt the CT shootings were part of the issue. I have no idea what the paper's editorial position on gun control is.
 
   / Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders #39  
I disagree. Don't you think it would be useful to know if an unbalanced individual in your neighborhood had a permit for a semi automatic rifle?

How are you going to determine who's unbalanced? Mental health records are not available to the public.

Why should that be a secret? In this case it appears just to be those who have pistol/revolver permits. I presume one can get lists of people with pilot's licenses or liquor licenses. Why should gun owners be treated differently?

They aren't treated differently. Those are public records and are available to all. However, you rarely see names of people with pilot's licenses or liquor licenses or driver's licenses published in the paper unless they did something wrong, are up for review, or are involved in an altercation.

I'd want to know if there was a gun in a house that one of my kids was likely to be playing in. I'd take the opportunity to ask the parents in that house how they secured the weapon. If it didn't meet my standards for safety I'd simply not let my kid go there. Why shouldn't I have that information?

You don't run a background check on the parents of every classmate that your child goes to attend a birthday party at, do you? No. You get to know the parents of your child's peers through interaction at school functions, sporting events, friends of friends, church, talks over the fence, by the mailbox, etc...These are things that you are supposed to ask a child's playmate's parents before you send them over to play unsupervised if its something you are concerned about. Do you ask them if they have unsecured steak knives, fireworks, gasoline and matches, too? :rolleyes: No. You observe the parents and families of your children's friends and make judgements as you go.

Publishing the names and addresses of all the people that have a legal permit to carry a firearm will do absolutely nothing to prevent anything.

Take the case of the mass school shooting two weeks ago....

The firearms were legally owned by the mother, not the son.
He didn't use the gun show loophole to obtain them.
No background check would have caught him because he got the guns from his mother.
A waiting period to purchase would not have prevented it.
The assault weapons ban wouldn't have prevented it as there are literally hundreds of thousands of these weapons already on the market.
A ban on large capacity magazines would not have prevented it. He would have just carried more 10 round clips for any large caliber semi-automatic hunting rifle.
The woman had the proper permits. That made no difference.
The woman was trained to use the firearms, yet the son got them from her and killed her. Training made no difference.

With over 300 million guns legally possessed by citizens in the U.S. do you really think you can ever remove them from circulation? The guns are not the problem. Homicide is the problem. You are more likely to be blown up by a mass murderer than shot by a mass murderer.

Sick individuals have always been and will always be. They will find ways to commit homicide. Publishing the names of people that are concerned enough with their own personal safety to go through the proper and legal process to obtain a permit to carry a firearm for personal protection is just sensationalist journalism by a writer or newspaper trying to stir readership for personal financial gain.
 
   / Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders #40  
I would really prefer to see the names and address's of those who DO NOT have a weapons permit published in a newspaper for the world to see, now that would be nice wouldn't it?
 
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