Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders

[two_bit_score]

I (among many) was perplexed with the (unfortunate) results...I honestly thought that there had never been a better reason to rid ourselves of someone so detached from the populous that actually funds the gov.
Thus my ideal that if a citizen does not actually pay federal income tax they should not have the right to vote for anyone that has the power to use/spend the funds generated by said taxes...

The results in Nov. have led me to believe that we are no better than any of the 3rd world countries that were once admonished...now it seems they are something to beheld and exemplified...

I feel like someone switched the price tags and people think the worthwhile is worthless and the worthless is now worthwhile.

 

[two_bit_score]

2014 could be a time of change in congress, however, using executive administrative powers to change political policies will continue on for 4 more years. It will take 8 or more years after that to straighten out the mess we are headed into now. Ken Sweet

No better time than right now to start working on taking back the Senate in 2014.

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[AchingBack]

I agree with your analysis. Question is whether the Tea Party faction starts behaving like politicians who must reach compromise or if they remain unbending missionaries.

Most Tea Party members fashion themselves after the Founders. Do you seriously think the Declaration of Independence had anything to do with compromise?

 

[/pine]

That's what was so funny, so many Republicans are so out of touch with the fact that things have already changed. Obama should not have been able to win this election with the shape the country is in. I do think he got some slack from voters because he inherited the mess, but still with the economy still so poor the Republican Party should have easily won the office.

Time to wake up and start being more reasonable. The Republican party is destroying itself. If we go over the fiscal cliff the Majority of Americans, (including me) will blame our own Party. Boehner gave the Republican party yet another black eye by proposing a tax reform bill that not even his own party would support. That is pretty petty and shows unwillingness to work with others. In two years the house is up. Wake up. If Republicans don't get more tolerant and more willing to work with others (and actually doing it not just saying it) it will be a Democratic president, house, and senate. Then you will see bills and legislation fly through. And not legislation you will like I suspect.

I am thinking of becoming an independent because the Republican party is getting more and more out of touch.

Trying to place blame on either of the two parties is ludicrous IMO...the blame should be on the misguided, misinformed electorate...
Tax reform is not the real issue..SPENDING is the real issue...the current administration is so infatuated with the misguided thinking that adding additional taxes on the wealthy is the answer is so far off the wall it's absurd... there is not one economist that does not recognize the fact that raising the supposed taxes on the wealthy will only fund the government for barely over one week...they simply have to cut the exploding size of the bureaucracy... yet the current administration continues to expand it... just ask anyone that actually "manages" a budget...

A liberal minded legislative and executive dominance is not the solution...that should be obvious to anyone that is not wearing blinders...(but obviously you are)...or tell me why during the first two years we only saw a horrendous spending bill that did little else than support unions (jobs) and support companies that have since gone belly up...?

IMO the current administration has done nothing (to the contrary of promises of uniting the country) but contribute to the polarization we have witnessed...

 

[/pine]

I agree with your analysis. Question is whether the Tea Party faction starts behaving like politicians who must reach compromise or if they remain unbending missionaries.

like most of the misguided ilk that condemn the tea party movement they focus on the fringe groups and not the fundamental ideals (less bureaucracy)...doh!

 

[/pine]

I feel like someone switched the price tags and people think the worthwhile is worthless and the worthless is now worthwhile.

You have a good point but the problem lies in the motivation behind what "people think" (quite possibly an oxymoron)

 

[carpenter383]

You seem a little confused. The electoral college actually favors the smaller population rural states as even the states with very small populations get proportionately MORE representation than urbanized states. States get electoral votes based on a formula based on congressional representation. Minimum of 3, as each state gets one electoral vote for each senator and congressman. So, Wyoming with around 550,000 citizens gets three electoral votes. Massachusetts with 6,500,000 population gets 11. MA has 12 times the population but gets less than four times as many electoral votes. So yes there is an imbalance and it favors the rural Red states.

I will not pretend to know all the facts about the electoral college, elections have went both ways against the popular vote because of the electoral college. I do know it seems MUCH simpler to use the popular vote as a way of deciding who the winner is. I believe if we did away with the electoral college there would be more people willing to vote, because lets say you're a conservative in california, what's the point in voting? You're vote will not count! Same goes for a liberal in KY, etc. Why complicate something that can be simplified and will more accuratley represent "we the people" along with encouraging more people that their vote actually counts?

 

[carpenter383]

That's what was so funny, so many Republicans are so out of touch with the fact that things have already changed. Obama should not have been able to win this election with the shape the country is in. I do think he got some slack from voters because he inherited the mess, but still with the economy still so poor the Republican Party should have easily won the office.

Time to wake up and start being more reasonable. The Republican party is destroying itself. If we go over the fiscal cliff the Majority of Americans, (including me) will blame our own Party. Boehner gave the Republican party yet another black eye by proposing a tax reform bill that not even his own party would support. That is pretty petty and shows unwillingness to work with others. In two years the house is up. Wake up. If Republicans don't get more tolerant and more willing to work with others (and actually doing it not just saying it) it will be a Democratic president, house, and senate. Then you will see bills and legislation fly through. And not legislation you will like I suspect.

I am thinking of becoming an independent because the Republican party is getting more and more out of touch.

If we go over the cliff it's our current dictator's fault for not being willing to work with what he has, he was offered plan B and is unwilling to consider it.
Taxes will go up for EVERYONE then his greatness will come back and "cut" taxes for the majority of us back to where they are now. Many will fall for the trick and hail him as some kind of God.
As someone mentioned it's the out of control spending that's the problem, I was all in for ron paul, because he was by far the most constitutionally based and fiscally responsible canidate.

 

[IslandTractor]

Most Tea Party members fashion themselves after the Founders. Do you seriously think the Declaration of Independence had anything to do with compromise?

The Declaration did not but the Constitution was all about compromise. We run our government on the principles enumerated in the Constitution. The DoI was a manefesto.

 

[Don87]

I do think that Island tractor will realize his dream of the 'utopia' he so desires in the next few years, but I also think it will come at a cost that he has yet to realize.

Elections have consequences, and as of the last election, there will be at least 2 SCOTUS appointments made by the most anti-gun politician to have ever held office in the USA. I'm not sure how many people know about the 'Small Arms Treaty' with the UN that Obama wants to sign. I'm not sure how many people realize that Elena Kagan blatantly lied to the senate about her 2nd ammendment views.

Island tractor touts the 1st amendment, and how it should be stricly upheld. I just wonder if he realizes just how that 1st amendment was trampled on in Missouri during the primaries in 2007 ?

When chipping away at certain unailenable rights, you can definetely expect ones that you admire the most to go by the wayside also.

There's an old addage.......Buyer Beware........if it looks to good to be true, it probably is.

Be careful who you follow, he may lead you down a blind alley. The American people have a rude awakening coming.