Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns?

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   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #331  
The vast majority of National Guard armories are not manned 24/7/365, in fact none of the ones I'm familiar with are, usually more around 10/5/238, and I'm familiar with over 50 of them. Weapons are locked into racks, racks are chained together, all behind a vault door, they all have intrusion alarms though.

We're not going to stop crime and we're not going to stop gun violence, but it's idiotic to think that we can pass new legislation that will only affect law abiding citizens and make any kind of difference.
Such laws would not have made much of a difference in the Connecticut shooting for a couple of reasons. 1. - The "assault rifle" wasn't used, he had it, but he didn't use it. 2 - The guns were obtained illegally in that he killed someone in order to to get them. 3 - Connecticut already had a strict ban in place, yet the guns were there.

About the only common denominator in these shootings were the mental health issues of the shooters so why not strengthen/implement/enforce laws regarding mental health issue reporting systems? In this computer driven age, I doubt it would be hard at all to do, it's just that it isn't and can't be done because of liberal laws prohibiting it. (HIPAA.). Just link the mental health records into the NICS database.
Would that solve all the incidents, no, because a true criminal or someone with enough mental issues that they don't worry about laws will still get done what they want to get done.
Would even destroying all 20 or 30 round magazines prevent it, even if ALL of them were destroyed? No, 10 round or even 5 round magazines would still be used in those instances. A criminal (or mentally challenged) will always use what's available, the legality of the tool has no bearing or issue with them.

The comment that we allow our freedom of speech to be limited on this forum is true because of the usage agreement when signing up, but we agree to that limitation, but only on this forum, we agree to it on other forums we belong to, but that agreement to restriction ends when we log off, it's not applied to all of us all the time by the government, it only applies to one small area, while in use and we're free at any time to opt out. Not so when government gets involved.

Dianne Feinstein has a concealed weapons permit, the reporter that did the article giving all the address of permit holders also has a concealed weapons permit, but because they are them, guns are good and because we are us (as in not them) guns are bad. Too many of these politicians, actors, reporters, etc have the "OK for me, but not for Thee" attitude.
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #332  
The armories near me are staffed.... So I didn't know about the others... Thanks for the clarification

I agree with everything else.
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #333  
Ok Island.. lets say you and DiFi get all of your desires. and you "make sportsmen" jump "through few hoops" and by the way those "hoops" seem pretty draconian to me. But lets say all of this comes to pass, and all works just like you want it to. Now some lunatic gets his hands on a Remington 700 in 30-06. and sets up in an elevated area. (Charles Whitman style) and manages to kill several people (mass murder, anything over 3). Then the news people make a nice showing, for about 3 weeks on this event, like they usually do.. And the next lunatic sees the nice coverage he got, so he does the same thing.. Bolt action high powered rifle, crowd of people, several dead, practically none wounded, as a 30-06 is an real rifle round, not an intermediate round between pistol and rifle like an Assault Rifle round. So this happens for 2 or 3 times, and becomes the popular mode of murder for lunatics. NOW.. do you call for a ban on "deadly sniper rifles"? After all they seem to be the choice of lunatics for mass murder. And these things are really deadly, not only do they kill the people they hit, they also kill 3 or 4 or more people behind the guy that got hit.."these things are just way too powerful". Are you and DiFi now going to call for a ban on "powerful murderous sniper rifles and powerful ammunition" hmmm.. just saying...where does it end.? Island, muzzle energy of .223 firing a 55 grain projectile about 1282 ft lbs.. Muzzle energy of 30-06 with 180 grain projectile, about 2913 ft. lbs.. Now if you had to be in the way of a rifle bullet, which one would you rather stop? one with 1282 ft lbs or one with 2913 ft lbs..? Over twice the energy, and a hole way over twice the size? I am betting you are going to call for that ban.. I know it, you know it, and so does everyone else..

James K0UA
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #334  
I know it, you know it, and so does everyone else..

James K0UA

That is EXACTLY what will happen.. Then you have Ed Zachary Disease..... Just google it...
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #335  
The vast majority of National Guard armories are not manned 24/7/365, in fact none of the ones I'm familiar with are, usually more around 10/5/238, and I'm familiar with over 50 of them. Weapons are locked into racks, racks are chained together, all behind a vault door, they all have intrusion alarms though.

We're not going to stop crime and we're not going to stop gun violence, but it's idiotic to think that we can pass new legislation that will only affect law abiding citizens and make any kind of difference.
Such laws would not have made much of a difference in the Connecticut shooting for a couple of reasons. 1. - The "assault rifle" wasn't used, he had it, but he didn't use it. 2 - The guns were obtained illegally in that he killed someone in order to to get them. 3 - Connecticut already had a strict ban in place, yet the guns were there.

About the only common denominator in these shootings were the mental health issues of the shooters so why not strengthen/implement/enforce laws regarding mental health issue reporting systems? In this computer driven age, I doubt it would be hard at all to do, it's just that it isn't and can't be done because of liberal laws prohibiting it. (HIPAA.). Just link the mental health records into the NICS database.
Would that solve all the incidents, no, because a true criminal or someone with enough mental issues that they don't worry about laws will still get done what they want to get done.
Would even destroying all 20 or 30 round magazines prevent it, even if ALL of them were destroyed? No, 10 round or even 5 round magazines would still be used in those instances. A criminal (or mentally challenged) will always use what's available, the legality of the tool has no bearing or issue with them.

The comment that we allow our freedom of speech to be limited on this forum is true because of the usage agreement when signing up, but we agree to that limitation, but only on this forum, we agree to it on other forums we belong to, but that agreement to restriction ends when we log off, it's not applied to all of us all the time by the government, it only applies to one small area, while in use and we're free at any time to opt out. Not so when government gets involved.

Dianne Feinstein has a concealed weapons permit, the reporter that did the article giving all the address of permit holders also has a concealed weapons permit, but because they are them, guns are good and because we are us (as in not them) guns are bad. Too many of these politicians, actors, reporters, etc have the "OK for me, but not for Thee" attitude.

Exactly. Also do a little Googling(yes it's now a verb) and look up National Guard Armory firearm break-ins/burglary/thefts. It's been going on since the first Armory was built.

If man wants to destroy and kill there is not nor has there ever been a way to completely prevent it. Just ask our soldiers overseas about IED's. I am just so happy that we have passed & enforced thousands of laws to prevent the illegal use of drugs and that it has been such a successful campaign.

I think we have enough firearm laws and rules in place and I will not support further restrictions.
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #336  
I am betting you are going to call for that ban.. I know it, you know it, and so does everyone else..

But might that be a step towards further civilization and world peace? Is the gain worth the pain? Most of us aren't sure.
We reduced the number of nuclear weapons out there, allegedly to ensure a higher level of real world security,
why doesn't the same logic apply to personal weaponry?

A fully pumped up, totally legal bb gun can kill a man at close range, or sure disable him with a bb to the brain. Or carotid.
A super powerful weapon just makes lethality easier.
We need to work more on the finger pulling the trigger, not the trigger. But if everyone were using hand grenades instead, I bet there would be
a round up of those, too destructive to innocents vs. an aimed shot to a combatant. You have to draw a line somewhere, and where that line is should change over time
as we all evolve. And we Americans have something to learn from other countries and peoples who seem to be able to live in harmony better than we do.

I wonder if a hundred years from now, this discussion will be meaningful. Will we be safer and get along better as a species,
or simply be able to kill each other/defend oneself more effectively? Will the level of violence in our lives increase, or will we be able to
focus our miraculous abilities as human beings to achieve a greater purpose?

Until cigarettes are banned, or even more restricted, with adequate healthier alternatives available, the big picture is that there are many other things we could be focusing on
that would improve public health more than outlawing or restricting Barrett .50 cal guns. Until they get used on us, or close to us, and it gets real personal quickly.
These massacres get the headlines, and they should, they are horrifying, and none of us want that
misfortune in our lives.

If we spent more time teaching and incorporating the Golden Rule into our lives, we would have better results than gun legislation.

I know, stop smoking, lose weight, give up your big guns. Might be good for you though.
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #337  
About the only common denominator in these shootings were the mental health issues of the shooters so why not strengthen/implement/enforce laws regarding mental health issue reporting systems? In this computer driven age, I doubt it would be hard at all to do, it's just that it isn't and can't be done because of liberal laws prohibiting it.

You're easily talking about 30% of the adult population at any one time, being ineligible for various reasons. Is that really practical?
 
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Remember that David Killed the Goliath giant with a sling loaded with a stone. If the "gun ban/control" camel gets its nose under the tent today, we will be banning slingshots eventually. Ken Sweet
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #339  
You're easily talking about 30% of the adult population at any one time, being ineligible for various reasons. Is that really practical?

I don't know where you came up with the 30% figure, but a lot bigger percentage of the population have drivers licenses and they manage to keep a darned good track on their statistics, when a cop pulls you over at the side of the road, just from your vehicle plates, he knows a lot about you before he walks up to your window, name, age, address, if the plate is on the correct vehicle, any previous violations, if there are any warrants for you and if you've got a concealed carry permit. Takes about 30 seconds most of the time.
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #340  
Remember that David Killed the Goliath giant with a sling loaded with a stone. If the "gun ban/control" camel gets its nose under the tent today, we will be banning slingshots eventually. Ken Sweet

Not just slingshots Ken, anything that could be used to assemble a sling or slingshot, just to be safe!
 
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