Retirement savings ....Yikes !

   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #161  
Having been retired now 19 years. every one has ideas as to what will work. For myself as a child remember my grand father and my father talking about the depression and how the banks and lawyers with government leaders used this to gain others wealth. My father borrowed against his farm to help his father from losing his farm for taxes. And amount of about $1000 and both lost there farms to the bank. All they could take was what was loaded in there car.
So when ever subject of money came up there was a caution never put a dollar where the bank or lawyer could get it. Cash payment and if had no cash you didn't need it.

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Pain mounts for big depositors in two main Cyprus banks - FRANCE 24

Since some think we are using the EC as our model for the future we in the USA may once again need to have a concern about our money in the bank as being safe. The current talk to taking a cut of 401K, etc self managed retirement for federal government to spend should be a concern in the USA today for the holders of such retirement funds.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #162  
The slippery slide into the financial abyss started in the middle eighties. Company retirement plans morphed into matching fund 401(k's). A large percentage of workers failed to utilize or take advantage of a 401(k) account, electing instead to buy a boat, RTV, or a condo at the beach. The high school drop out rate increased. The local burger barn only needs so many minimum wage burger turners. The labor market switched from a "labor" market to a tech market. Companies were looking for employees with some college not high school drop outs. Tax incentives were given and are still being given to out sourcing jobs and manufacturing.

Politician refused to close "Tax" loop holes or stop providing entitlement incentives to large corporations resulting in some making billions, paying no taxes and getting millions back. Jobs were again lost.

America was faced with a dilemma, a large population not making enough money each week to provide housing, food and clothing for themselves and dependents. Social program were and continue to be strained. Reliance on food stamps, rental subsidies, utility subsides increased by leaps and bounds starting in 2001.

In 2008 when the economy tanked the population numbers that were living on the margins really increased, some estimate as much as ten fold. The number of children receiving school meal programs increased. Some school districts had/have ninety percent of elementary school students receiving free meals. Some are provided breakfast and lunch.

Middle class America is disappearing. Salaries for the middle class have remained flat since the middle eighties. The top earners have all fared very well. A middle class worker of today in all likelihood will not receive the monetary incentives his/her parents received for a weeks work. The worker of today will not be able to retire at an age any where near 65 years old. A worker entering the work force today will in all likelihood see SS and Medicare discontinued somewhere in the future.

I personally know workers who cannot retire at age 62-63 because they cannot afford health insurance coverage for themselves and spouse before Medicare starts at age 65. One who has had a couple of bouts with cancer advised he received insurance quotes of 1500-2000 per month for a family plan.

Society has winked/winked/grinned about drug addicts and other retiring in their twenties because they have a dependency problem our are traumatize by some phobia and unable to work. Some body has to provide funds for the dead beats to do nothing.

The next ten years will be testing ones for America. Do we degenerate into a third world country and let people sleep in boxes and starve or continue with some limited social programs to prevent such from happening. Do we stop electing idiots to represent the country or continue as usual electing those that create problems, not solve them?

Seniors watched as CD's stopped paying interest and their nest eggs dwindled because they were now tapping into the capital to maintain anywhere near a comfortable life style. The Federal Government printed money and loaned it to Banks at .25 percent interest rates insuring no returns on individual investments. Zero percent interest became the thing for large purchases.

People have started taking risks with their money in an attempt to stay even. The Stock Market is climbing but I would not hold my breath on that fickle industry making money for anyone except Wall Street when they are bailed out by the American Tax Payer.
Late getting into this thread, but this is a great post- clearsighted.:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #163  
Just catching up on this thread. Nice seeing it go on for so long and for most part stay on topic and keeping civil.

Moss, like your comments, just may be due to the similarities of how we lived in the past and continue to today. Pay yourself first and live within your means.

As for the comment on where to invest/save with safe 5% return. Lots of places but certainly not where FDIC is involved. Think we had better than a 10% return last yr without taking any big risks. So far this yr it hasn't looked too bad. It does take some effort, and skill to pick the apples from the road apples. In the long haul the stock market has averaged about a 7-8% return. Beats putting it in a bank who's returns for the most part can't keep up with inflation, but it is insured by FDIC. I don't need FDIC to insure a purchasing lose.

Don't have the skills to buy stocks/bonds directly, look for a mutual fund. You get professional management, diversification within the scope of the fund. Information, long term, isn't hard to find on MF's. Morning Star is a good source of information and they rank funds by performance, 1-5 stars, each representing 20% of the various funds performance in a particular sectors. Look for 4-5 star ratings with well established management. Spend time becoming educated, do some playing with Monopoly money and test yourself on your picks. When you feel comfortable making choices, then do it with real money. There are good funds out there that charge little to no investment fees and you can get started with small amounts of money if you invest regularly. As I said before, time is on your side.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #164  
Maybe less fancy $5+ coffee and HBO premium and things that suck you dry would let these folks save a little. Calculate the frivolous waste and add it up over 30 years and see what you have even if you forget compounding interest.

Bringing lunch in from home can save 50 bucks a week ..that's about $2k a year. A TV antenna will save you another $1k. Owning a more fuel efficient car will save you some serious money over time.

Suze Orman likes to says...put $5k in a mutual fund annually, compounded at 7% over thirty years and you'll have yourself a chunk of change.

Several years ago there was federal legislation passed to allow employers to make participation in their DC plans the default rather than requiring the employee opt in. I don't know how many actually run the programs that way but it was a good idea in my view.

Maybe not everyone can but I think most folks, if they really made it a priority, could put something away.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #165  
I don't know where most of you have their $$$ But, I've Been investing in the stock market for a long time.Durning the ups and downs.When the market was down, I bought more.I know the market goes up and down. I can deal with that. I know plenty of people that got out of the market when the market went down.The only 1 that gets hurt on a rollercoster are the ones that jump off.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #167  
I know insurance carriers today that state 3%-4% return is max they can expect from stock market investments and normally they have top tier investing staff.
 
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   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #170  
You are correct on that. Today's returns (1% if you're luck, pretty much suckkk).
 

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