Retirement savings ....Yikes !

   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #321  
Hmmm, I'm not sure about this reverse mortgage stuff. How long has this idea been around anyway? I never heard of it until maybe 7 years ago. I would not do a reverse mortgage to increase monthly income. Who's making money off that? Why is it advertised so much - red flags for me.

If you have no heirs and a ton of equity in your home, its a good way to get more cash to enjoy now or to use if you need it. You can't take it with you. Just be sure you don't outlive the reverse-mortgage and end up homeless. ;)
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #322  
Yeah, I guess if you have no heirs. I do, but even if I didn't, I'd want to leave it to my charity - unless, we were in a real bind, I reckon that could justify it.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #323  
Anybody ever checked the details on a reverse mortgage? I haven't, but I always assumed it will be costly someway or other. Just considering the situation, if someone needs a reverse mortgage to get by, they are ripe for being taken advantage of.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #324  
In certain circumstances, reverse mortgages can be a very good solution for folk who want to stay in their home, and have a support system for themselves, i.e. local family, that will make staying in their home a reality, not a dream, if they get sick or need long term care.
But the cost of the financing internally in reverse mortgages are sure not three or four percent, likely at least double that.
If one has little cash, it is a viable option, but all the downsides really need to be understood.

http://mashable.com/2013/03/02/wealth-inequality/

I just saw this video, released this month, which is pretty depressing for seniors, and frankly, most of us. Sure the American way is to be a billionaire, for some..., some of the rest of us just want to be healthy and happy with adequate income.
But the disparity in wealth in this country is really shocking; yes we have our dot come zillionaires, and lottery winners, and lots more, and yes we want everyone to have the right and ability to earn huge amounts of (taxable?) money, legally, but where does it get society?
None of us want socialism, but are we really ok with the rich get richer and the poorer get poorer? Is this the country we want for today, and for the future?

There isn't any low hanging fruit here...it's all hanging way up high, or perhaps in the Cayman Islands.

I honestly don't know the answer here, but I do know we need to change the reality of this chart, or our ancestors may wind up on the modern version of a guillotine with the "rabble" taking off their heads. Husbands and wives don't want to have to work until they are 80 to be able to afford a modest retirement.

With almost all countries looking for new revenue, I doubt there will be many hideaways for the super rich anymore.
It's not hard to be a millionaire in the U.S.; the challenge is that if you aren't by the time you retire, even if all those assets were liquid,
which they never are, that still means only $40-50K a year from your million dollars. You are a millionaire and you need to live on forty thousand a year. That's a serious wakeup call to many people. Or you just spend it, or whatever you have, faster..., and then you will wind up without a penny in the County nursing home, if you are lucky.

And remember, you can't draw four percent out of your real estate equity each year,
not easy to do simply. And that's where most people's money is, in their homes.
So you might have made your million net worth goal, but you have to sell your home and rent
in order to get the income stream you planned on. Usually not what people want, though lots of retirees
in Sunbelt rentals.

My older brother told me decades ago, just remember two million. Older brothers always know more, so of course I went
yeah, yeah. Then I became a CFP, and my brother wasn't so dumb any more. Actually, as I knew, he was a very bright lawyer.
Two million dollars. Sounds unbelievably large. But if you want to retire in a high expense area, like where I live now, you have to carve out your
home if you want to stay, and live on the balance of your net worth, and that isn't always totally liquid either.

So when the financial advisor tells you you need to save two million dollars to retire on one hundred thousand per year, you can't look at him like he's nuts. Because he isn't.

Which is why I want/need to move in retirement further South, at least to NC. The taxes and cost of living are ridiculous in my area.
Our schools are like junior colleges, complete with granite and I bet ivy in some places. They are temples of education, and all the local parents are sure happy about that. Really good high schools, with top teachers earning well into six figures. And I have no kids.

So for me to retire comfortably, since I don't have two million bucks, or close to it, I need to reduce my cost of living by moving.
That in itself is a big issue in retirement. And if you have a family farm, it gets scary expensive to keep the farm in the family after
the last of the older generation passes away. Most get sold. As did ours. At least we preserved over seventy percent of our farm in perpetuity, feel good about that, but it's another farm that bites the dust, so my generation in the sixties could even consider retiring.

maybe the folks who earn over a million a year really should pay another five percent...
what do you think?

sorry for the length of this. The topic winds me up.
 
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   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #325  
So what do you guys think is the amount you should have in your 401K to retire now. Or next year.

I think putting your retirement savings in a 401k is putting all your eggs in one basket. The first thing you need is a paid for home. The next thing you need is enough land to provide an income, or perhaps a mine. The land is a factory, producing wealth for you. The money you put into a 401k gets taxed as income when you with draw it, the money you put into land gets taxed as capital gains when you withdraw it, plus any non-residential improvements are tax free investments up front. If you put your money into a business, you don't pay a nickel of taxes on it, and if you keep your eyes open you can file for investment tax credits and let the gummint pay you to have a business.\

A 401k is a good place to keep a little ready cash, say $100k, but any more than that is for the worker drones in their cubicles with nothing else going.

My parents put $60k into a 60 acre farm in 1961. They paid off the mortgage with the income from farming it part time, retired, and it has been providing them both a free place to live and $12k - $15k in farm rental income every year for the last 20 years. I bought 93 acres of young timber 20 years ago, and am going to log it this year. The appraisal says I should pocket $150k net after logging costs and capital gains taxes on the timber. It cost me very little, and my state has a timber deferral property tax program that means property taxes cost me nothing on the timber land. Tax planning with an accountant 20 years ago will help minimize my capital gains this year.

If you want to plan for retirement, you need to take the long view. Stocks and bonds are just pieces of paper. Invest in something real, the more productive the better.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #326  
I think putting your retirement savings in a 401k is putting all your eggs in one basket. The first thing you need is a paid for home.
:thumbsup:
particularly if the home finance interest deduction is taken away.

The real estate market is still depressed in most areas. It really is a good time to find
an investment property. Diversification is always excellent.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #327  
maybe the folks who earn over a million a year really should pay another five percent...
what do you think?

sorry for the length of this. The topic winds me up.

Drew,
The sad part is no mater how much more anyone pays in taxes Washington will find a way to spend it and only come and look for more. Politicians are no more than "cash junkies" looking for a vote.

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   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #328  
Not sure the full agenda of the video. Growing up poor I for one assumed the money must have been on the other end of the chart because it sure was not on the left side. :)

Sure looks like us in debt for our toys may wind up on the left for our retirement years. Looks like the top 20% are the only ones that should have RV's I guess.

Still a little shocked people thought wealth was spread around. The sad fact if it is taken from the right side and given to the left side of the chart the left side will just be worse off because they are being propped up by those on the right side today paying most of the taxes since the left side do not for the most part.

Each plantation still has only one owner with many share croppers. If one depends on a paycheck to live today he is one of the share croppers plain and simple. Little has changed since recorded history started recording. Borrowers will become more poor and the lenders will do the opposite. The poor get poorer and the rich get richer mainly because they keep doing the same thing over and over. Some want to play then pay where others are of the mind set to pay today so they can then play.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #329  
Each plantation still has only one owner with many share croppers. If one depends on a paycheck to live today he is one of the share croppers plain and simple. Little has changed since recorded history started recording.

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   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #330  
Not sure the full agenda of the video.
nor was I and I hope the data is accurate, which sadly I don't doubt.
at least he wasn't promoting socialism.

and as far as taxes, until we get a balanced budget amendment, or maybe require it by a constitutional change,
our individual freedoms and financial security will always be at risk from governmental mismanagement.
How about a flat tax too. We need to simplify, not obscure through complexity. Pay a fair and understandable tax
and it will fund state and federal budgets that must balance. End of story. If only it were that simple.
But maybe it is...
 

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