Retirement savings ....Yikes !

   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #541  
I retired at age 66 in February of this year, no wait, it was February of last year.
The scariest thing in retirement is how fast the time goes by. Folks in the obituary column are getting younger every day!
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #542  
I know it has worked for some I know and for many I don't.

I guess my dissatisfactionon started when I lost 80% of my vesting, bonus plan and employee stock plan when management changed... there was nothing I could do... not even roll the balance over to an IRA because of the IRS same desk rule...

After management changed... the 401k offered 8 funds with huge management fees between 2.5 and 2.9% through a bank. I would have stuck with it had the employer match continued.

Just making the case not everyone is in the right place at the right time no matter how well intentioned.

The current plan offered an advisor and he ran my numbers... I would need to contribute $27,500 a year and work till age 79 to retire... honest truth to what I was told.

In spite of the risk for getting criticism from the do-it-yourselfers, I offer you my own direct experience wih an I.R.A. . I worked almost 40 years for a major auto firm, saved quite a bit of money in a savings account, bought a house to fix up, sold it and moved to a large acreage farm out in the country. I always maxed out my IRA contributions and expected a decent pension from the Company. Well, they nearly went bankrupt, they offered me an early out and I took it at age 62. I also signed up for Social Security right away, in spite of holding out for longer would have gotten me more per month. When they transferred out of their own pension plan to a Prudential run 'pension' type payment, I took the lump-sum option instead, in spite of the fact that my parents lived into their mid 90s and the company said 79 1/2 was more likely the case for me.

What has saved my health, welfare and well-being and peace of mind was direct management of my IRA and other accounts thru a Morgan Stanley Smith Barney account manager. 5 years before my leaving the company, they reviewd my situation, I had them take control and my account bloomed (as in doubled). When the lump sum came along, they had anticipated its offering and had bought a few S.P.I.A.s at 5% to 8% interest with just a thousand or so in each one. Then they added the portions of the lump sum to them when the check came and they are fueling my happy retirement. Even though I am drawing off 4% or so per mounth on the average, I am making quite a bit more per month because the SPIAs are doing better than 4% and my other stock, bond, annuity and long term care accounts accounts are still doing even better than that. The only danger I am in is cracking into a higher tax bracket.

My point is that I came from a simple family who saved money only in a bank account. Stocks, bonds, and other financial weapons were a foreign language to me. When, on a whim, I accepted their free review, I got professional help with: reallocation of money at various risk levels that I chose, made a will via a Living Trust, invested inheritance, got relief from the retirement blues, and experienced a seamless transition into retirement. My bank account accepts the money they have triggered, I gave myself a raise, can get cash at any time via checks on the account, have a checking account with a level control on it ( I set a level, when I withdraw or transfer to lower the level, it automatically refills), and I just don't go to work anymore but get paid the same. Also, in retirement, you don't need the same amount of money coming in every month. Its only when property taxes are due, insurance payments are due, you go to an auction and buy a vintage antique something, get onto eBay or Craigslist and buy something cool, or pay the monthly Costco AMEX card account, do you need money.

If I was stupid enough to buy a new car, I can get the cash wired the next day via a sell-off that 'they' handle for me. You know, I don't care whether they make a little money from me for this service, all my needs are taken care off, I live inexpensively, buy clothes from Salvation Army, eat healthy, put some hay up for sale every year, and pay my taxes on April 14th.

For those who are afraid of making mistakes on your own, I recommend getting a professional money manager. Yes the 'market' took a dip and my account fell 30%, but 1 1/2 years later its all made back up and about 20% ahead as of today. I didn't mention my divorce, this was also aid by my Fund manager. To prevent my ex-from eating up my IRA for her special needs mental health care, they set up and managed her separate account for us so that when she turns 65, her care will be just as good and Medicare will assiste her.

OK, now tell me what I've done wrong or coulda/shoulda done instead...
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #543  
Ultrrunner: It's too late now probably, but you may have been able to combine your real estate investments with an IRA or similar account.

5 Investments You Can't Hold In An IRA/Qualified Plan
"For millions of Americans, the freedom offered by self-directed, traditional and Roth IRAs can be very appealing. These accounts are not limited to the narrow selection of investments that are typically offered inside employer-sponsored retirement plans, such as 401(k) or 403(b) plans. Almost any type of investment is permissible inside an IRA including stocks, bonds, mutual funds, annuities, unit investment trusts (UITs), exchange-traded funds (ETFs) and even real estate."


These are the real estate restrictions:

Real Estate
Contrary to what many believe, it is possible to hold real estate directly inside an IRA. However, the IRA owner cannot benefit directly from the property in any sense, such as by receiving rental income or living in the property. It is therefore not possible to purchase one's house with IRA or retirement plan money. Many IRA custodians cannot facilitate the direct ownership of real estate or oil and gas interests, and those that do often charge annual administration fees that are much higher than normal. For more see House Your Retirement With Self-Directed Real Estate IRAs.)

Good information...

I actually know a person that set up an IRA when they first came out many years ago with a private collection of antique cars... everything from Cords to T-birds... he drove his cars and maintained them and sold them one by one as needed to meet the distribution requirements...

In talking to him... he said what he did is no longer allowed... but, he certainly enjoyed his IRA to the fullest and it did very well financially for him...
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #544  
I pray you are just makeing a joke! Tell me ONE good thing that Washington has done in the past 4 1/2 yrs. PLEASE think about the negative things that have been pushed into place. Our goverment is no longer a goverment for the people it is a goverment over the people! The paths we are being taken down RIGHT now are step for step the same as ****** did. LOOK INTO THE COMPARESIONS (sp? sorry) The man who talked about going to the Philippine Islands
? and live great on his Navy retirement is going to find out that the checks will stop; along with S.S. checks; along with our money being worthless
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #545  
Every time that came up in my 35yrs as a boss they didn't need to come back again!: that type of person is not an assett--and attitude is worth more than ANYTHING else. Someone with a
good attitude is there right along beside you to get'er done.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #546  
I pray you are just makeing a joke! Tell me ONE good thing that Washington has done in the past 4 1/2 yrs. PLEASE think about the negative things that have been pushed into place. Our goverment is no longer a goverment for the people it is a goverment over the people! The paths we are being taken down RIGHT now are step for step the same as ****** did. LOOK INTO THE COMPARESIONS (sp? sorry) The man who talked about going to the Philippine Islands
? and live great on his Navy retirement is going to find out that the checks will stop; along with S.S. checks; along with our money being worthless

Your fear is neither rational nor based on the facts but that discussion should not take place on this thread or be started on this thread. Please move it to "friendly" politics.

Loren
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #547  
Your fear is neither rational nor based on the facts but that discussion should not take place on this thread or be started on this thread. Please move it to "friendly" politics.

Loren

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

all opinions are fine, just express them in the right spot.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #548  
Good information...

I actually know a person that set up an IRA when they first came out many years ago with a private collection of antique cars... everything from Cords to T-birds... he drove his cars and maintained them and sold them one by one as needed to meet the distribution requirements...

In talking to him... he said what he did is no longer allowed... but, he certainly enjoyed his IRA to the fullest and it did very well financially for him...

I don't know how good the info is, but I guess if it was of interest to someone, they could follow-up on it.

Suppose a person wanted to incorporate real estate into a self-directed IRA, they could do research, etc., but in the end it may pay them to ask a professional how to go about that. They may be told you really don't want to do that--and here is why, or they may be told how to get to their objective. I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable fee for that expertise, no matter the answer.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #549  
they were charging him over 3% on assets on an ongoing basis

if invested in an underlying fund with a one percent load, then managed by
a firm for one percent, then "distributed" by your broker for one percent, yup, it sure all adds up.
And it drives me crazy.
Pure highway robbery in times of low yield, and certainly worse than a pickpocket in good times...

Folks, your "investment statement" or set of goals should have a net percentage yield target. And if you have a professional advisor
he/she has to hit that number after fees are taken out. if they consistently make or exceed those goals, you likely don't have any gripe with what they
are charging. Some times it takes serious underwriting and due diligence cost to smoke out the good investments, and that isn't cheap.

But if you are offered a matching company savings plan, their match usually makes it a good deal no matter how bad a deal the underlying funds and expenses are.
But if it's only your money going in there, you need to be a real consumer. Maybe it's a crappy, expensive plan and you would be better investing in a traditional IRA.
Be a consumer. Dig out the cost to you, it's there, buried...

Most of the no load funds have internal expenses less than one percent, often much, much lower, down in the tenths for some index funds.
In a low yield environment, those tenths of expense can be significant relative to the overall net. And yet there are mutual funds with expenses exceeding one percent,
and rightfully so, say an all Japan fund. Know what it costs to do business in Japan, rent a hotel room, eat a hamburger? Big bucks, and that all comes back to expenses.

The going rate for a professional advisor is usually one percent. Sometimes less for large fixed income portfolios.
And guess what, you really can negotiate. Not always, but you should try...particularly if numbers larger than one are showing up.
Another approach is to tell the advisor that if the results are not what you are looking for, that you will likely move the account back to X.
while the rep is partially your attorney, required to do things properly for you, he is also your quarterback. If he or she keeps missing, get a new one.

or perhaps after several years, you have learned enough to just "do it yourself" and move it all to Vanguard or Fidelity. You will get very good advice from
these big companies. The folk you talk to there are trained well. If you are computer literate, and if you are on this forum, that means to some degree you are,
those "online" investing options, like Vanguard, who doesn't pay for bricks and mortar everywhere and that's one very good reason they have such low expenses.
And I think Jack Bogle would like to have seen Madoff tarred and feathered, among other things, for giving a business he worked so hard at to be truly above board a
seriously black eye.

we used to all want to get 11 percent long term. That seems to be no longer possible for most of us. So, somewhere in the 5 to 10 percent range is where reasonable expectations are now, and since you have to deduct inflation from that to get a true net, well, you'd better be at least 5 percent or you are going no where. My goal is 7, and I smile when I do better. I don't want 10. Really. It usually means too much risk is being taken for a retired person. Sure if the market zooms up, I'll get on the fast escalator.

I found the three lanes of the highway the easiest analogy. You start out in the fast or center lanes, and you gravitate over to the slower lane in retirement.
But first you need to know which lane you need to be in, not want to be in. You can do it with online calculators, but sometimes a husband and wife like a third party to
give them advice, or often, to confirm what they already know but have little confidence in. Sometimes taking the worry out of investing is well worth a point to some people.

But it is NOT worth 3 percent...
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #550  
Your fear is neither rational nor based on the facts but that discussion should not take place on this thread or be started on this thread. Please move it to "friendly" politics.

Loren

Yup, he should move it or lose it please.
 

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