Retirement savings ....Yikes !

   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #551  
But it is NOT worth 3 percent...

well, let me modify that.:dance1:

For three percent, my rep would come to the farm weekly and wash
and wax my cars and tractors. The UTV too. Then he might
weed the flower beds for a while, then make and serve us a six course dinner,
clean it up, and leave quietly.

of course, if my name was Warren Buffett and he made that offer, man I'd be first in line...:D
 
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   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #552  
...........But it is NOT worth 3 percent...

As the 3% was what I mentioned that my fireman nephew was / is paying, consider that this was on everyone in that big city plan - many millions of dollars. That is $30,000 per million. Per year. I'd love to know about the back room deal that was cut to turn these sheep over to the wolves.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #553  
As the 3% was what I mentioned that my fireman nephew was / is paying, consider that this was on everyone in that big city plan - many millions of dollars. That is $30,000 per million. Per year. I'd love to know about the back room deal that was cut to turn these sheep over to the wolves.

what is truly sad is the cumulative impact an additional 2 percent yield would make on those proud firemen's (I'm a past active volunteer...) retirement plans
over ten or twenty years. The impact is huge. But then the commissions were huge...
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #554  
Last year the CEO called me in to ask why I was not contributing to the 401k especially since a lot of employees come to me for advice...

I was frank and gave my reasons... the company no longer offered a match and my research on the funds offered showed high fees... she told me the employees pay no fees and that I need to watch what I say...

I then explained to her the costs are buried or taken from the yield... so we are all paying by virtue of having the 401k and I offered to bring in my research to show her the specifics on the 8 choices available...

Come to find out there was a 9th choice that was no where to be found... the 401k had a cash account that paid a guaranteed 3% and could never go lower.

With the new full disclosure of costs/fees on the horizon... the plan we had was terminated by the provider...

As to giving advice... all I could do is answer candidly my reasons for not participating.

A large chunk of the money I have is paying about 1% in a bank money market and guaranteed and Insured awaiting my next non Wall Street investment.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #556  
Last year the CEO called me in to ask why I was not contributing to the 401k especially since a lot of employees come to me for advice...

I was frank and gave my reasons... the company no longer offered a match and my research on the funds offered showed high fees... she told me the employees pay no fees and that I need to watch what I say...
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As to giving advice... all I could do is answer candidly my reasons for not participating.

Rabble Rouser! :laughing:

It used to be that plan participation by more employees moved the contribution limits higher, allowing the higher paid people, who could generally afford more, to contribute more. There was some ratio involved. Perhaps you were dinging her personal retirement planning. :)
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #557  
I took a swing at talking my personal comptroller (AKA wife) into buying some bare land on the edge of an area that is bound to expand in the future. No power there yet, dirt road, so it's reasonably cheap. No dice. Do you do marriage counseling as a sideline? :laughing:

Uh,Dave, I'm on my third wife so I am likely not the best person to go to...

But, dave, you have to lead off with the roses, then the bubble bath, and then the
head to toe lotion. Then ask about land. :D
Guaranteed something good will happen.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #558  
In spite of the risk for getting criticism from the do-it-yourselfers, I offer you my own direct experience wih an I.R.A. . I worked almost 40 years for a major auto firm, saved quite a bit of money in a savings account, bought a house to fix up, sold it and moved to a large acreage farm out in the country. I always maxed out my IRA contributions and expected a decent pension from the Company. Well, they nearly went bankrupt, they offered me an early out and I took it at age 62. I also signed up for Social Security right away, in spite of holding out for longer would have gotten me more per month. When they transferred out of their own pension plan to a Prudential run 'pension' type payment, I took the lump-sum option instead, in spite of the fact that my parents lived into their mid 90s and the company said 79 1/2 was more likely the case for me.

What has saved my health, welfare and well-being and peace of mind was direct management of my IRA and other accounts thru a Morgan Stanley Smith Barney account manager. 5 years before my leaving the company, they reviewd my situation, I had them take control and my account bloomed (as in doubled). When the lump sum came along, they had anticipated its offering and had bought a few S.P.I.A.s at 5% to 8% interest with just a thousand or so in each one. Then they added the portions of the lump sum to them when the check came and they are fueling my happy retirement. Even though I am drawing off 4% or so per mounth on the average, I am making quite a bit more per month because the SPIAs are doing better than 4% and my other stock, bond, annuity and long term care accounts accounts are still doing even better than that. The only danger I am in is cracking into a higher tax bracket.

My point is that I came from a simple family who saved money only in a bank account. Stocks, bonds, and other financial weapons were a foreign language to me. When, on a whim, I accepted their free review, I got professional help with: reallocation of money at various risk levels that I chose, made a will via a Living Trust, invested inheritance, got relief from the retirement blues, and experienced a seamless transition into retirement. My bank account accepts the money they have triggered, I gave myself a raise, can get cash at any time via checks on the account, have a checking account with a level control on it ( I set a level, when I withdraw or transfer to lower the level, it automatically refills), and I just don't go to work anymore but get paid the same. Also, in retirement, you don't need the same amount of money coming in every month. Its only when property taxes are due, insurance payments are due, you go to an auction and buy a vintage antique something, get onto eBay or Craigslist and buy something cool, or pay the monthly Costco AMEX card account, do you need money.

If I was stupid enough to buy a new car, I can get the cash wired the next day via a sell-off that 'they' handle for me. You know, I don't care whether they make a little money from me for this service, all my needs are taken care off, I live inexpensively, buy clothes from Salvation Army, eat healthy, put some hay up for sale every year, and pay my taxes on April 14th.

For those who are afraid of making mistakes on your own, I recommend getting a professional money manager. Yes the 'market' took a dip and my account fell 30%, but 1 1/2 years later its all made back up and about 20% ahead as of today. I didn't mention my divorce, this was also aid by my Fund manager. To prevent my ex-from eating up my IRA for her special needs mental health care, they set up and managed her separate account for us so that when she turns 65, her care will be just as good and Medicare will assiste her.

OK, now tell me what I've done wrong or coulda/shoulda done instead...

I think what you did was faultless. I did something similar, only I don't have any of the spia's. All my stuff is in equities, I haven't touched it yet, I did keep my pension, as they didn't offer us a buyout on that. I still have my 1st wife, and all my stuff!!! My wife has her own biz, and makes some money. Life is good, after 35 years in the shops!!!
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #559  
Uh,Dave, I'm on my third wife so I am likely not the best person to go to...

But, dave, you have to lead off with the roses, then the bubble bath, and then the
head to toe lotion. Then ask about land. :D
Guaranteed something good will happen.

Well, this year was anniversary #42 ... but she's not the sweet young thing I married :laughing: Perhaps our marital experiences are more alike than you would imagine.

Seriously, she said she didn't want to own anymore land in Maine, it would have to be somewhere warmer. I said I told you so. :)
 

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