Gun Control: This speaks for itself

[Yamezz]

Is it really the 'criminal' element that are doing the mass and accidental shootings though?

 

[Smallplot]

That is a fallacy but at least you acknowledge that gun owners can be killed with their own weapon. And, you probably listened to your pediatrician who quoted real data showing that young children can choke on hot dogs so you avoided them until it was safe. The trouble with your rather absurd argument is that you are saying that even though the pediatrician says my child might choke on a hot dog, I'm going to feed the young infants hot dogs anyway. IF there is data that says your risk of death is higher if you have a gun in the home than if you do not have a gun, then how exactly is the gun protecting you? Gun defenders immediately jump to the hypothetical bad guy trying to break in to my home and create mayhem but the reality is that 1) armed home invasion is remarkably rare (just very well publicized) and 2) firearms kill people in their home quite regularly (murder, accident, suicide). If gun ownership is protective, then why do we not have as many gun deaths in Massachusetts as in Arkansas? The citizens of Arkansas are MUCH better armed but the risk of firearm death is MUCH lower in Massachusetts. Just how are all those guns protecting the citizens of Arkansas?

If I went by your theory the area I live in should have streets stained in red but we don't. Actually, other than suicides, we have only had 5 incidents involving firearms, or attempts to use a firearm, and only one of those involved firing a weapon in the last 5 years. It would be safe to assume almost every house has firearms in my area. Heck even my grandma keeps a loaded scatter gun. So sorry your theory while looking impressive on paper holds little credibility to me. As far as suicide, if someone shoots themself and no one else, that is not gun violence and should never be considered in the same conversation.

As far as jumping to the bad guy breaking into your home, don't think too many people who use firearms for self defense give two shakes about what happens to your home. It is your choice if you want to call the police instead of practicing your right to defend yourself. Every good company has a contingency plan why should our lives be any different? Rare and non-existent both have different meanings.

Unless a state has registration and every firearm is listed the basis of your theory is what someone thinks the % of gun owners might be, that probably differs greatly from actual numbers. Simply having a firearm in the home does nothing to protect you or harm you. But it can give the home owner an advantage over someone planning to harm the homeowner or their family. A firearm just sitting there will never harm anyone without human interference.

 

[Smallplot]

Is it really the 'criminal' element that are doing the mass and accidental shootings though?

Are you implying someone who takes another's life without justification is not a criminal? Last I checked Murder was one of the common laws in all 50 states and someone who declines to follow the laws are criminals

 

[coobie]

Where did the orginal poster run off to?I guess just sitting back with his popcorn watching the Chit fly.LOL

 

[TripleR]

I hate to break this to you BUT, any study can come up with any biased conclusion they want. Studies aren't worth the paper they are written on. For every study one way I can come up with a dozed the other way. WHAT DOES THAT PROVE?

Here's a "STUDY" for you GULLIBLE WARMING, Al Gore did a "study" and swore we were going to BURN UP BY NOW.

Oh my, my. my it snowed 13" in MN today MAY, 02, 2013

Kind of lost interest after posting reams on other forums and now just skimming, but I think we are saying the same thing.

 

[kiotiken]

Canada leads the USA in assault, bribes, drug offenses, rape, and suicide man that's one screwed up country.

Well, not that it matters other than to demonstrate the attention you pay to details, but you were quoting an Australian, not a Canadian.

As a Canadian (don't go off on Australians now :laughing, I'm going to have to disagree with everything you said. I already know the answer, but are you capable of posting a single source to back even a single one of your assertions?

 

[kiotiken]

Where did the orginal poster run off to?I guess just sitting back with his popcorn watching the Chit fly.LOL

The Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario (CHEO), thanks for asking.

 

[TripleR]

The Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario (CHEO), thanks for asking.

I hope it is nothing serious and all goes well with you and your family.

 

[kiotiken]

First, I'm astonished and pleasantly surprised that this thread made it to page two without being sent to Friendly Politics or being shut down, nice to see a debate not break down into political garbage.

It's taken me a long time to catch up on all of this having been off line for a day. I'm obviously not going to comment on each post. I would like to say that in my opinion, gun control does NOT equal taking your guns away. I'm not commenting on what guns you are allowed to own or are not allowed to own (although I think making kid size guns for 5 yr olds is pretty stupid).

I agree that no type of gun control would have probably stopped this case from happening, stupid is what stupid does. However, that doesn't mean there's no point making rules. You have to were a seat belt in many states (and all provinces). That doesn't mean everybody does, but you know if you don't, there's a consequence. I'm not judging anybody's beliefs on owning guns, but I do think basic safety rules should be put in place. My personal belief is also that 5 is to young to fire a gun (and to take a page from some of the posters here) just like 5 is to young to operate a tractor, car etc.

Rules are different in different countries and can seem crazy from the outside sometimes. Your rules on alcohol are pretty harsh in my eyes for instance. The drinking age in most of Canada is 19 and it's 18 in Quebec. I'm sure that seems odd to people living in France who drink wine as kids. I'll admit I started this thread a little hastily after reading the article and being discussed and outraged that such a thing could happen ANYWHERE.

Anyway, there's some intelligent comments coming out here and I'm enjoying reading them.

 

[kiotiken]

I hope it is nothing serious and all goes well with you and your family.

Thanks RRR. I'll admit to being a little dramatic in response to a presumptuous post that ticked me off a little. Just a mole removal, but it had to be done under general anesthetic by a plastic surgeon. I'm always so thankful after leaving a place like that and having seen what some other families are dealing with and how brave they all are.