4035 HST gutless!!

   / 4035 HST gutless!! #31  
I have a new 4035HST and while HST does rob you of a significant portion of the power over geared transmissions, the machine should be anything but gutless. I'm not sure how much it is bogging or on what size slopes, but any change (even tiny changes) in the operating load will make a difference on the engine RPMs if you hold steady on the HST pedal. Slight increases in slope increase the load, with everything else remaining constant, the RPMs are guaranteed to decrease. The only way to counter it is to decrease pressure on the pedal to decrease the load, or increase the throttle to provide more fuel to overcome the increased load. The 4035HST is a HEAVY tractor for 40 horsepower to move around when 31 of it is sent to the PTO and some is lost on the ease of operation that comes with HST.

I generally run my finish mower with the tractor in medium range, and have a enbankment of about 20% I go down and come back up. I keep the RPMs set at PTO speed on flat ground, and press the forward HST pedal nearly all the way down for mowing the flat ground. When I go down the grade I must release some of the pressure on the HST pedal or the tractor gains too much speed for a good cut. After I loop around and go back up the hill, I keep the HST pedal steady and throttle up as the the RPMs become affected by the load. In doing this, I maintain a relatively steady speed, the HST doesn't make any of the "whining" noises that come from not having enough pressure inside to perform the task you're demanding of it, and it keeps the engine and everything operating at the proper PTO RPM. I back off the throttle as I crest the hill to keep from letting the RPMs go too high. If I were to leave the throttle set where it needs to be pulling a hill, it would rev up to about 3200RPM on flat ground. Naturally the weight of the implement plays a large role in how much throttle you'd need, and at a certain point, the only solution to prevent premature engine wear is to use a lower gear range.

That being said, my tractor does seem to have a noticable difference in small changes of load. That somewhat indicates to me the tractor is operating at or near it's available capacity and I think I maybe should have went with a 5035...
 
   / 4035 HST gutless!!
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#32  
Ok, dealer has been back 2 times. Once to do some trouble shooting and the second to replace the dash and PTS switch that quit working. The second time we got into the discussion about the tires being filled with rim guard. He called his service manager and they agreed that part of the power problem could be the rim guard. Anyone agree? I hate to drain $350+ of rim guard out of the tires.
 
   / 4035 HST gutless!! #33  
Ok, dealer has been back 2 times. Once to do some trouble shooting and the second to replace the dash and PTS switch that quit working. The second time we got into the discussion about the tires being filled with rim guard. He called his service manager and they agreed that part of the power problem could be the rim guard. Anyone agree? I hate to drain $350+ of rim guard out of the tires.

Good god no, I don't agree. My DK45 has loaded tires and so did my CK30. Both seem pretty unstoppable to me, although I'm always finding a way to try! Don't drain the tires, that's not the problem. Have you tried another one at the dealers?

I just pulled an 8000 lbs loaded trailer with 800 lbs extra ballast on the loader 25KM in high range. Total weight of the tractor, load and trailer was probably 14,000-15,000 lbs, I wouldn't worry about the 1000 lbs in your tires.
 
   / 4035 HST gutless!! #34  
Ok, dealer has been back 2 times. Once to do some trouble shooting and the second to replace the dash and PTS switch that quit working. The second time we got into the discussion about the tires being filled with rim guard. He called his service manager and they agreed that part of the power problem could be the rim guard. Anyone agree? I hate to drain $350+ of rim guard out of the tires.

Have the dealer dyno the tractor. You need to know if it is putting out advertised HP. I would not drain the Rim Guard.
 
   / 4035 HST gutless!! #35  
Ok, dealer has been back 2 times. Once to do some trouble shooting and the second to replace the dash and PTS switch that quit working. The second time we got into the discussion about the tires being filled with rim guard. He called his service manager and they agreed that part of the power problem could be the rim guard. Anyone agree? I hate to drain $350+ of rim guard out of the tires.

I just recently bought a Mahindra but different manufacturer than your Korean built tractor (Mitsubishi). What was the same however was that in comparing the two tractors (geared and shuttle), I found the hst intolerable for this 28 hp model. By intolerable I mean that to do any work, this tractor had to be screaming in rpms and would not crest a hill in high unless it was. I attributed this to the lower hp but everything is in ratio of hp to weight. I don't know what is going on with some of these hst Mahindras but no other manufacturer seems to have the same problems in this regard. People who bought hst's in Kioti, Kubota, New Holland, JD, etc, seem to be enraptured with their hst's. Mahindra may be putting on smaller pumps to their spec built tractors to save money for all we know. For me and what I do (logging), I had little choice but to get the geared model as I just couldn't live with the hst trying to chug up an incline while hitched to a 2000 lb log going 1/4 mph. It either had to go slow or rev its guts out. If they can't fix this problem, trade it in for a geared 4035. I believe they have a power shuttle in this model where you don't even have to step on the clutch from forward to reverse. I personally would not unload my tires. If anything, swap them on the new geared tractor. Good luck. It will all end up well.
 
   / 4035 HST gutless!! #36  
I have the 4035 PST, it is def not gutless...as Arrow indicated you don't need the clutch from forward to reverse, I usually use it anyway, old habits...
 
   / 4035 HST gutless!! #37  
It is a fine line between insulting a prospective buyer and helping someone get the right machine for their needs when discussing HST transmissions. I have had inexperienced folks burn out a clutch in less than 100 hours. Those folks need a HST because they can't work the machine properly. Those folks also don't realize the power they are sacrificing because they have never straddled an old gear drive transmission and felt how strong it can be. Even the old gasser Fords had more power to work than modern HST's of the same horsepower. IronHorse, have you had experience with old strong gear drive transmissions? If so I would trade that HST. The dealer would love to get it back and the PST is cheaper so you won't make out bad on a trade. A standard shuttle is even cheaper than the PST so you could potentially do an even swap. If you have experience, kick that oil pusher to the side and go have some gear grinding fun!
 
   / 4035 HST gutless!! #38  
If I was a customer focused dealer I would bring out a similar tractor for you to use while I took your tractor in for service. This would make it obvious if the problem was specific to your tractor or a bad customer/tractor fit. I would hate having an unhappy customer.
 
   / 4035 HST gutless!! #39  
I. IronHorse, have you had experience with old strong gear drive transmissions?!

The op is coming from an old Ford 8N so he most definitely has the experience.
 
   / 4035 HST gutless!! #40  
If I was a customer focused dealer I would bring out a similar tractor for you to use while I took your tractor in for service. This would make it obvious if the problem was specific to your tractor or a bad customer/tractor fit. I would hate having an unhappy customer.

Absolutely correct. These are the companies that are highly successful and separates them from the "also rans" It is astounding to me how many retailers do not get this.
 

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