John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices

[brain55]

The reality is that all brands will break as finally stated. There are some consumers that have no problem taking care of their own minor repairs or even major repairs and dealer support is not an issue. There are others that don't have the time or experience to even deal with the simplest of breakdowns. I'm sure that LS, Mahindra, Kioti, etc are fine machines. My caution is where are these dealers going to be in 5 years. I have never seen a LS tractor or dealer, the local Mahindra dealer is a camper shell dealer, and I haven't seen a Kioti dealer in years. 20 years ago all you had to do to become a Kioti dealer was to buy 2 tractors, I saw a couple people do this and didn't last long because there was very little factory support when it came to parts, I have to assume this has improved somewhat over the years.

My point is with the big 3 you have a pretty good idea what you are getting with factory support, dealer support will obviously vary. I have worked on many different brands in my 27 years as an equipment mechanic. I prefer Kubotas for their simplicity in engineering compared to John Deere and New Holland. The New Hollands are far too electronically fragile in my experience. I also like Kubota on their parts availability but I think John Deere has a better parts network and more inventory in their local warehouse. Once you get outside the big 3 it's a crap shoot in my opinion, with an exception to AGCO possibly.

For the weekend warrior saving $10k on a machine that may only see a 100 hrs a year makes sense, even if you may be down waiting for a part if something breaks. Saving $10k on a machine that sees 200 hrs a month and having to wait a week or more for that part makes less sense.

I have no idea how good LS's parts or dealer network is but it would certainly be in my consideration if I were adding it to the mix.

Brian

 

[k0ua]

When I see the largest tractor dealer in this area of any stripe,(multiple location dealer ) with his front row by the highway filled with about 50 Kioti tractors, and his New Holland line on the back row, I am not too worried. I understand things may be different in different locations.

James K0UA

 

[murphy1244]

When I see the largest tractor dealer in this area of any stripe,(multiple location dealer ) with his front row by the highway filled with about 50 Kioti tractors, and his New Holland line on the back row, I am not too worried. I understand things may be different in different locations.

James K0UA

That's what I have at my Dealer.

 

[DocDiesel]

I think the nail was hit on the head that LS's are good, not great tractors. For the average tractor owner (who truly doesn't have enough need for a tractor) an LS is plenty tractor. However, for people who truly need their tractors day in and out to make money or take care of their ranch, they entrust a larger brand.

IE, local rental company has 2 Kubota's that see constant use. IF LS's were the same quality why wouldn't they buy 3 LS's for the same price? Obviously there's a reason they go with the bigger brands.

If you're comfortable with a lower brand power to you, but there's a reason for the premium

 

[TripleR]

When I see the largest tractor dealer in this area of any stripe,(multiple location dealer ) with his front row by the highway filled with about 50 Kioti tractors, and his New Holland line on the back row, I am not too worried. I understand things may be different in different locations.

James K0UA

Last time I went past the only Kioti dealership in our area there were less than ten tractors on the whole lot, different locations, different results. My brother does all his own work and went out of state to buy his Kioti and loves it.

 

[murphy1244]

Last time I went past the only Kioti dealership in our area there were less than ten tractors on the whole lot, different locations, different results. My brother does all his own work and went out of state to buy his Kioti and loves it.

The JD dealer by me would be lucky to have 10 tractors on his lot.

 

[TripleR]

The JD dealer by me would be lucky to have 10 tractors on his lot.

Yeah, like I said, different locations. The two John Deere dealers in my area have enormous lots with everything from UTVs to 9000RT as well as harvest equipment. One of our Kubota dealers handles Case and the other New Holland so you can go to one dealer and get stuff to mow your lawn up to Ag tractors. Our John Deere and Kubota dealers are 18 to 40 miles away and the only Kioti is over 50.

I don't travel much anymore but when I did, it was always interesting to see the differences across the country.

 

[murphy1244]

Yeah, like I said, different locations. The two John Deere dealers in my area have enormous lots with everything from UTVs to 9000RT as well as harvest equipment. One of our Kubota dealers handles Case and the other New Holland so you can go to one dealer and get stuff to mow your lawn up to Ag tractors. Our John Deere and Kubota dealers are 18 to 40 miles away and the only Kioti is over 50.

I don't travel much anymore but when I did, it was always interesting to see the differences across the country.

The Massey dealer by me also carries Mahindra and boy does he have stock. I bet there are over 40 machines ready to go. The Kioti dealer is also a NH dealer and he has 15 or so Kioti's on the front row and maybe 3 NH machines in back with the used stuff.

 

[coobie]

And we have a John Deere 425 on its third engine, a 2305 on its second with a hydraulic cylinder failure in thirteen months and not covered by warranty with various other trips to the dealer for repairs. Our Kubotas have been relatively trouble free. You really can't make valid assessment based on a few incidents.

Not my intent to validate.Just trying to say not all tractors are perfect with these so called superior components including my Kubota & JD.coobie

 

[coobie]

There a few Boomers around my neck of the woods, and I have to admit that they are great for pulling a drag section around a horse arena and things like that.

OK that explains it all.LOL.coobie