Nissan now with Cummins power

[Renze]

But back on topic would like to take a Titan diesel for a test drive. Haven't been a big nissan fan, but who knows.

That exactly points out the dumbness of Fiat/Chrysler management... the Cummins engine boosted the sales of Dodge pickups as a whole when it was first installed in Dodge trucks, they also sold more gassers when the Cummins name became connected to Dodge Ram. The same image boost will now happen for Nissan: by rejecting this Cummins engine, Ram has given Nissan the opportunity to become a direct competitor... Really bad policy...

 

[WilliamBos]

That exactly points out the dumbness of Fiat/Chrysler management... the Cummins engine boosted the sales of Dodge pickups as a whole when it was first installed in Dodge trucks, they also sold more gassers when the Cummins name became connected to Dodge Ram. The same image boost will now happen for Nissan: by rejecting this Cummins engine, Ram has given Nissan the opportunity to become a direct competitor... Really bad policy...

But, at the same point, NA needs more brands of diesels. We (Canada) suffer by not getting any of these new engines because they assume if they will not sell in the USA, they wont sell in Canada.

That is so wrong, they would sell up here.

I would love to see a small Volvo diesel in pick ups here, and even SISU too.

 

[Renze]

I would love to see a small Volvo diesel in pick ups here, and even SISU too.

The Volvo D5 2.4 liter inline 5 engine is putting out somewhere near 420Nm and 220hp. Tuned slightly down for longevity, lets say 180hp and 400Nm, it would be a great engine for a small pickup (Ford Ranger size) if they gave it stiff enough rear suspension so it can tow 7 to 8k pound trailers (3500kg same as most Euro vans)
Personally i dont see the point in a "full size" half ton pickup, their suspension is too light to get any cargo or towing capacity but you drag along all that weight and frontal area anyways... Same thing as when comparing a 2 series Sprinter (not sold in America, you guys just get the 3 series 3.5 ton, badged as Ram 2500) to a smaller Merc Vito which also has a 2.8 ton GVW capacity.

The 4 and 6 liter engines are basically Deutz engines with Volvo outfit and software, but that 6.1 Deutz would make some tough competition in full size pickups, its light and economical. When we checked all industrial engines available on the market, the TCD 6.1 Deutz turned out cheapest.

The Sisu engine is too large (length) and too heavy for automotive use, as it is a frameless design, with no on-road epa certification. Same goes for the Deere diesels, they are designed solely as an offroad engine. The Cummins and the FPT (Iveco) are developed with a much narrower cylinder spacing and lighter block for automotive applications. The weight difference between the Cummins block and the Sisu frameless block is 660 for the Sisu and 500 for the Cummins.

Your best bet would be the Navistar engines, they are typical on-road engines...


Anyways if Ram saw a need for a lighter industrial heavy duty diesel, they would have put the Cummins ISB4.5 in it, it would also put out around 250hp and plenty of torque.. But manufacturers dont see the need for lower hp heavy duty, proven their choice to make a lighter duty automotive style engine.

 

[WilliamBos]

The Volvo D5 2.4 liter inline 5 engine is putting out somewhere near 420Nm and 220hp. Tuned slightly down for longevity, lets say 180hp and 400Nm, it would be a great engine for a small pickup (Ford Ranger size) if they gave it stiff enough rear suspension so it can tow 7 to 8k pound trailers (3500kg same as most Euro vans)

The 4 and 6 liter engines are basically Deutz engines with Volvo outfit and software, but that 6.1 Deutz would make some tough competition in full size pickups, its light and economical.

The Sisu engine is too large (length) and too heavy for automotive use, as it is a frameless design, with no on-road epa certification. Same goes for the Deere diesels, they are designed solely as an offroad engine. The Cummins and the FPT (Iveco) are developed with a much narrower cylinder spacing and lighter block for automotive applications. The weight difference between the Cummins block and the Sisu frameless block is 660 for the Sisu and 500 for the Cummins.

Your best bet would be the Navistar engines, they are typical on-road engines...

Anyways if Ram saw a need for a lighter industrial heavy duty diesel, they would have put the Cummins ISB4.5 in it, it would also put out around 250hp and plenty of torque.. But manufacturers dont see the need for lower hp heavy duty, proven their choice to make a lighter duty automotive style engine.

The problem with the Navistar Maxxforce engines is their choice of cooled EGR to meet emissions. They are going to run a Cummins SCR system on them. Hope that solves their issues, they make a nice truck.

 

[Renze]

The problem with the Navistar Maxxforce engines is their choice of cooled EGR to meet emissions. They are going to run a Cummins SCR system on them. Hope that solves their issues, they make a nice truck.

You could write a book about Navistar and their emission technology policies.... Dan Ustian allmost bankrupted the company with his going blind on EGR, untill they replaced him, new CEO immediately quit their MaxxForce 15 (based on the Cat C15) and had their 11 and 13 liter engines equipped with SCR technology from Cummins Emission Technology...

I guess seeing this happen at Navistar, is what put Deere off on their "Diesel only" strategy. Deere also yelled that slogan for a few years, untill hesitation began to rise. Last year they already introduced their first SCR only engine (less EGR, DOC but no maintenance intensive particulate filter) in the 80-140hp market.... OEM customers just didnt want soot filters and immense amounts of EGR, requiring huge coolers and regular soot filter repairs in rental fleets, because renters overrid the filter regeneration cycles...

 

[DeereMann]

If this new Cummins 5.0L V8 delivers 30 mpg highway (empty truck) as it should, Fiat will look like TOTAL fools!

 

[crazyal]

But, at the same point, NA needs more brands of diesels. We (Canada) suffer by not getting any of these new engines because they assume if they will not sell in the USA, they wont sell in Canada.

That is so wrong, they would sell up here.

I would love to see a small Volvo diesel in pick ups here, and even SISU too.

You can blame California in part. Because the feds let them write their own standards and that market is probably larger than all of Canada mfgs are building vehicles to me their laws. As more left of center states join in and also require Cali standards it just becomes easier for the mfgs to build one set standard. You guys get caught up in it simply because it's easier (cheaper) to treat Canada as US's little brother.

 

[crazyal]

If this new Cummins 5.0L V8 delivers 30 mpg highway (empty truck) as it should, Fiat will look like TOTAL fools!

I doubt it'll get that high. Probably closer to 25 mpg would be my guess.

 

[WilliamBos]

You can blame California in part. Because the feds let them write their own standards and that market is probably larger than all of Canada mfgs are building vehicles to me their laws. As more left of center states join in and also require Cali standards it just becomes easier for the mfgs to build one set standard. You guys get caught up in it simply because it's easier (cheaper) to treat Canada as US's little brother.

Exactly! For the most part, our emission standards mirror that of California.

 

[jerrybob]

We'll have to see if it can answer the magic question, is it a cost effective option? Since Nissan is not saying how much it will cost or the mileage and with how much HP/ torque that they are saying the Cummins is going to put out I don't know what market Nissan is aiming for. It's clearly more powerful than the Dodge, by quite a bit, so we can assume that it's not going to get better EPA numbers than the Ram 1500 diesel, it could be worse. My guess is that they may be trying for the RV crowd.

I agree with you.......price will be a factor. If reasonable......I wouldn't mind a small diesel for towing my travel trailer around......but how much more is the big question???