County says no camping on your own land !!

[hawkeye08]

With more government comes more "crises". Notable in the Clover article is that none of his neighbours had complained.

But, even a big city can try and apply common sense occasionally. There was a situation in Toronto recently, where a "concerned citizen" was bombarding city hall with complaints about neighbourhood violations. The TV reporter went on a walking tour of the area - it was a very well taken care of older neighbourhood, all of it. This lady had taken it upon herself to lodge formal complaints about things like how close somebody's hedge was to a sidewalk - examples cited had a hedge 2" closer to a sidewalk than what is "allowed".

Best guess was that this lady was ticked off with city hall, or had 1 or more screws loose.

Given the real problems that exist (run down rooming houses elsewhere in the city, etc.), city staff was wasting a lot of time chasing these nuisance complaints - to the point that they are looking a tabling legislation to cap the number of complaints one individual can submit in a given time frame.

If a big city can make the time to apply the intent of the law, hopefully some country neighbours can apply what used to be called Common Sense, but I tend to view it more as UNCommon Sense as of late.

Rgds, D.

I have trouble with laws or code that is not enforced equally. If they are not going to enforce them, change or delete the law. It seems that they like to add laws to legislate folks into doing things but only enforce where they feel like it.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

NOTE ALL searches are "UNREASONABLE" without a warrant. There are exceptions such as Pat Downs (after you are arrested) or at a Border Crossing (the fact you are coming across the border is consent to search you) if you do not then you are not aloud in. Same with entering Government Property (aka a court house/Military Base) to enter you can be searched. I think there is one other case where you can be searched as a "Person" but I'm lost for my memory... Searching PROPERTY not being driven across a BORDER is pretty much REQUIRED to use a search warrant (not saying or freedom disparaging government agencies will not ignore this fact tho.) It is up to INDIVIDUALS to assert their RIGHTS dont expect some jack booted thug to not try everything to get you to LET HIM search you or your property! ASSERT your 4th amendment rights right, when they ASK to come in ask for a warrant (if they can't produce one tell them NO!) When you LET THEM IN then they are free to look in open areas for violations.

If they are not let into your car, property or home then they can't see any violations...

Mark

This is not true. A LEO can enter property and search under exigent circumstance (look it up) and vehicles can be searched with probable cause, like a drug sniffing dog alerting on the vehicle.

 

[dave1949]

There would be less junk in rural areas if it was less expensive to get rid of. Lots of roadside dumping around here.

From the county website
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Charges: A transaction fee of $10 and taxes will be charged in addition to a per ton charge for disposal of solid waste.

Solid Waste Disposal Rates - Rate Schedule - January 1, 2012
Transaction Fee (per trip) $10.00

The Transaction Fee above will be charged in addition to the following Disposal Rates
Rate per ton $84.28
Rate per cubic yard (if applicable) $ 10.55

Special handling fees will apply to the following:

Refrigerator, Freezer or Air Conditioner $20.00
Car Tire $ 2.30*
Car Tire w/rim $ 4.60*
Truck Tire $ 9.20*
Truck Tire w/rim $18.40*

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I will cost you almost $100 per ton to dispose of it correctly.

Bruce

I don't know of any place nearby that I could take general trash and pay a tipping fee for disposal. I think our ($19/month) trash pickup contractor has to go quite a ways to tip. We do have places to dispose of electronics, appliances, tires, scrap metal, wood debris from construction and the like. The fees are very similar to your posting for those things.

Anything easily recycled can be gotten rid of for free; paper, cardboard, glass, tin cans, aluminum, and almost all types of plastics.

There is a lot of general household waste that should never have entered the waste stream to begin with. I agree with those programs that put pressure on manufacturers to reduce packaging materials and find more natural alternatives.

Last week I bought a box of Quaker Oats grits, the only brand available here, and the safety/security seal around the top of the box looked and felt like plastic, but it is made from corn they claim. I think you can make about anything from corn with enough chemistry voodoo, so I believe it. I wasn't sure if I should put it on my compost pile or in the trash bin. :laughing: I should have put it outside somewhere that I could observe what happens to it over time, but I confess to putting it in the trash.

 

[charlz]

There would be less junk in rural areas if it was less expensive to get rid of.

Some people just like to live in a junk pile. There is one neighbor on the street whose house caught on fire a few years ago (for the second time in 12 years or so) I always joke with the wife that the fire department should have been throwing junk ON the fire instead of dragging it away and trying to put the fire out They got their insurance payment, built a nice house and it is probably in worse condition now than the one that burned down. Weeds 4 feet high in the front lawn, crap piled everywhere.

 

[powerpace]

This is why we have rules in civilized societies. Some people have no respect for their neighbors tolerance for BS or their property values.
The owners refused to obey the first requests by the neighbors and then the City and County stepped in to solve the problem

Almost 800 rats trapped at Sutherlin house | OregonLive.com
Mocking Words: 788? Rats Enough

There have been three interventions "that I know of" in Douglas county where crews have "cleaned up" the property of people that had ignored neighbors requests for cleanup.
Temporary camps "tents or camper" tend to become permanent.

 

[TomSeller]

This is why we have rules in civilized societies. Some people have no respect for their neighbors tolerance for BS or their property values.
The owners refused to obey the first requests by the neighbors and then the City and County stepped in to solve the problem

Almost 800 rats trapped at Sutherlin house | OregonLive.com
Mocking Words: 788? Rats Enough

There have been three interventions "that I know of" in Douglas county where crews have "cleaned up" the property of people that had ignored neighbors requests for cleanup.

Relocator Pest Removal Company? Relocate rats? I knew Oregon was liberal, but geeze!

 

[powerpace]

Relocator Pest Removal Company? Relocate rats? I knew Oregon was liberal, but geeze!

They relocate Racoons, Skunks, 'Possum, Nutria and other critters. I believe the rats did not get to go to a happy place.

 

[westcliffe01]

That case sounds like an absent owner. I don't believe anyone was living in the house with 800 rats. I have to wonder what food source they had to sustain such a large population ? Possibly a silo half full with corn ?

The poster who speaks of "permanent" trailers and tents: How long does a tent last in your part of the world ? Around here with the rain and snow, I have not seen anything that stays together longer than 2-3 years. Trailers left exposed to the weather without maintenance are typically uninhabitable after 5-7 years. Pop-ups would be shot after 2-3 years or just 1-2 good storms. The only tent like structures I have seen that last longer are the commercially made "tent barns", but they typically run $7000+ for even a small one and are made in a far more robust manner that what I believe you are talking about. From what I have seen, they are considered "barn equivalents" in about every area I have seen and are permitted.

So if one can afford a $7000 tent, camping is OK, but a $250 tent is not OK ? This is the usual elitism at work.

 

[jinman]

So if one can afford a $7000 tent, camping is OK, but a $250 tent is not OK ? This is the usual elitism at work.

I'm sure the folks in cardboard boxes down under the bridge would agree with you. However, the durability of a $7000 structure of any form surely would be expected to be higher than a $250 structure. Of course, some of the homeless are elitist because they have big refrigerator boxes instead of little window air conditioner boxes. Those spoiled rich people using pallets and old blue tarps think they are just too good for everyone else.

 

[creekbend]

Several of us neighbors provide a Hayride and Camping weekend every Fall for the local teenagers-ages 8-16. One neighbor provides the land, others chip in for Firewood for the Bon Fire, we all chip in together and buy the Food and Drinks. The participants provide their own tents and lean to's. Another neighbor provides the wagon and straw. BTW, parents are allowed to attend. We have never had to pay for any permits. The only permit that we need is a Burn Permit for the Bon Fire. We do inform the local LEO of the time and dates. Everyone has a BALL.