Dropped a 70' standing dead red oak this afternoon

   / Dropped a 70' standing dead red oak this afternoon #11  
All firewood is roughly the same BTU per pound. 6200BTU per # @ 20% moisture is commonly accepted and what that chart uses.

Some woods that are considered "sappy" have slightly higher BTU per pound. Like pine. Because the sap burns like oil and adds heat.

The reason most like the harder woods is because you can fit more BTU's into a given place. So you get more heat out of a stovefull with oak than you do with poplar.

And since most wood is sold by volume (cord) and not by weight, the heavier woods are what people want. Since the time it takes to cut and process softwoods is the same as hardwoods (or close) there isnt as much money in softwoods. Around me, a cord of hardwood (oak, ash, cherry, elm, etc) is $150 or so. You'd have to sell pine or poplar @ 80-100/cord for the same $ to heat value. But since it dont last as long, and takes up more room, you would have to be even less than that. Just not worth it IF hardwoods are plentiful.

Sorry for the novel.

Nikdfish: how big was the tree? Diameter wise? Red oak is actually one of my favorite firewoods to cut and sell. I dont burn other than in the shop. And that I only burn the junk wood. Willow, pine, etc. Stuff that I cannot sell. But I like red oak because it splits super easy:thumbsup:
 
   / Dropped a 70' standing dead red oak this afternoon #12  
Glad it ended well. Dry oak is definitely a saw chain duller. Should be great firewood.

I'm reading this at lunch during work and people are looking at me as I'm yelling "NO NO NO". Red Oak is a beautiful wood for wood working and everytime I hear of people cutting it up for firewood I cringe. I can't be the only on here that thinks that way?

Wedge
 
   / Dropped a 70' standing dead red oak this afternoon #13  
I'm reading this at lunch during work and people are looking at me as I'm yelling "NO NO NO". Red Oak is a beautiful wood for wood working and everytime I hear of people cutting it up for firewood I cringe. I can't be the only on here that thinks that way?

Wedge

Red Oak splits easily and burns great. The wood might be great for wood working but wood working won't keep the family warm. I don't have the tools, space or time to work wood in any case. Mother nature takes down our trees all of the time and I have to clean it up. The trees get turned into firewood. A wind storm a few years ago brought down a bunch of Red Oak and I think a Hickory or Walnut. That Hickory or Walnut is 36 inches in diameter and was the largest hardwood we had on the property. :mad: When we timbered our place we kept out about 1/3 of the land to save these hardwoods and especially the huge tree. Momma nature has taken down dozens and dozens of those trees. We should have sold those trees in hindsight. :rolleyes:

What makes it even worse is that for us to access these down trees will require me days and days for work. Time I do not have so those trees are just rotting... THAT is a waste. The trees are in a spot that can only be accessed easily from the direction of the house and getting heavy equipment in there at this point is not real easy. My tractor can get in there but first I would have to cut a path... So those trees are rotting in the woods.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Dropped a 70' standing dead red oak this afternoon #14  
All firewood is roughly the same BTU per pound. 6200BTU per # @ 20% moisture is commonly accepted and what that chart uses.

Some woods that are considered "sappy" have slightly higher BTU per pound. Like pine. Because the sap burns like oil and adds heat.

The reason most like the harder woods is because you can fit more BTU's into a given place. So you get more heat out of a stovefull with oak than you do with poplar.

And since most wood is sold by volume (cord) and not by weight, the heavier woods are what people want. Since the time it takes to cut and process softwoods is the same as hardwoods (or close) there isnt as much money in softwoods. Around me, a cord of hardwood (oak, ash, cherry, elm, etc) is $150 or so. You'd have to sell pine or poplar @ 80-100/cord for the same $ to heat value. But since it dont last as long, and takes up more room, you would have to be even less than that. Just not worth it IF hardwoods are plentiful.

I am awarding you a T-B-N "Gold Star" for the pertinence and quality of information in this post.
 
   / Dropped a 70' standing dead red oak this afternoon #15  
Around me, a cord of hardwood (oak, ash, cherry, elm, etc) is $150 or so. You'd have to sell pine or poplar @ 80-100/cord for the same $ to heat value. But since it dont last as long, and takes up more room, you would have to be even less than that. Just not worth it IF hardwoods are plentiful.

I hope you are referring to face cords, because that is about the going rate around here for a face cord. If not you need to come up here to sell. I would even consider buying wood at those prices.
 
   / Dropped a 70' standing dead red oak this afternoon #16  
The hardest wood around here would be locust or apple. Very little of that available. Most firewood is pine, tamarack and some fir.
I just cut a seriously leaning Ponderosa pine on my place - 38" on the butt where I cut it - 157 years old and it was 97 feet tall. It had been leaning for years, made me nervous that the winds could bring it down in an inconvenient spot. Fell right where I wanted it. Years ago we used pine for firewood- now its too much work. Use electric heat now - cheaper way to go when all costs are considered.
 
   / Dropped a 70' standing dead red oak this afternoon #17  
I took down about 2 acres of mature oak, cherry and poplar trees to build our house. 125' tall and some over 35" in diameter. Before that, I had never taken anything down bigger than a shrub. The most dangerous part is when one of the big trees hangs up on its way down. It was always an adrenaline rush whenever it was time to take out one of these monsters. Glad its over. The timber was sawn up for use in the new home. Heres a few photos.

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   / Dropped a 70' standing dead red oak this afternoon #18  
Tod, neat photos, Have a wood pile right there!!

I have a hard time cutting the "big"oaks", takes so long for them to grow and irreplaceable in 1 lifetime, Thats is the drawback for me, but dead ones and progress take allot of trees out.
 
   / Dropped a 70' standing dead red oak this afternoon #19  
I'm reading this at lunch during work and people are looking at me as I'm yelling "NO NO NO". Red Oak is a beautiful wood for wood working and everytime I hear of people cutting it up for firewood I cringe. I can't be the only on here that thinks that way?

Wedge

Walnut, Cherry, maple, ash, etc are all beautiful woods. But many do not have the means to saw them into logs. And mills charge a fortune to saw a one-off log for you, and usually wont even touch a fencerow or yard tree due to metal.


I am awarding you a T-B-N "Gold Star" for the pertinence and quality of information in this post.

Much appreciated:)

I hope you are referring to face cords, because that is about the going rate around here for a face cord. If not you need to come up here to sell. I would even consider buying wood at those prices.

Nope. Thats full cord price and the norm in my area. I advertise $150 a cord (full) and free delivery 15 miles. $1 per mile there after. And I have only sold 8 cords this year. So thats about right, I wouldnt want to sell no more. Cant keep up.

But lots in my area advertizing in the 120-150 range per cord. And 70-100 range for 1/2 cords/truckloads

firewood for sale
split dry firewood 2 full cords 200 delivered all ash
FIREWOOD CHEAPEST AROUND $125.00 A CORD
*JOHNS TREE SERVICE* seasoned firewood
FIREWOOD
 
   / Dropped a 70' standing dead red oak this afternoon #20  
I'm reading this at lunch during work and people are looking at me as I'm yelling "NO NO NO". Red Oak is a beautiful wood for wood working and everytime I hear of people cutting it up for firewood I cringe. I can't be the only on here that thinks that way?

Wedge



I'm the same way when I hear someone cutting up Ash for firewood. It's the easiest wood to steam bend and long clear lengths are (usually) available. Well, until the ash borer came along that is.



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