we are a dying breed

[dave1949]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

Well, there is historical context to consider regarding Blue Laws and immigrants.

Some of the people leaving Europe for religious reasons created their own very strict religion-based rules and laws, including 17th century Puritan Blue Laws, here in what eventually became the USA. They were not champions of the separation of church and state by any means. We've only had meaningful (in deed, not just in word) separation in the past 40-50 years and we are not done yet by a long shot.

Additionally, immigrants found the space and resources to create their versions of freedom by depriving Native Americans of theirs. Sadly, they often used/abused religion as a justification for their lies and thievery. This was eventually formalized as "Manifest Destiny." I recommend "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown; 1970, if you have not yet read it.

As a humanist/atheist, my opinion on Sunday hunting isn't based on religion. I don't think I'm a militant atheist who thinks absolutely anything government-related with religious underpinnings has to go (most days ). We live in a pluralistic society. 'Man kann nicht über seinen eigenen Schatten springen.'

 

[Ken]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

As a land owner. and after a neighbor had bush hogged until almost dark parked his tractor in the field near his house and walked home to resume the next day. Only some brave hunter used the deer on the hood to "O" in his rifle Repair of engine radiator grill no insurance for this type of damage

Then my immediate deer hunter neighbor cleared the brush away from the fence row to look across the 80 acres of my land. and put up a deer stand on his side . We had a one sided discussion of how far his rights extended onto my property.
I had put up wooden No Hunting signs and this only gave the hunters a hand hold to crawl over the 5 barb wire fence.

A few years ago heard the sound of a rifle and then the speeding away from the property. A white Bull had been gut shot and had to be put away.

I keep asking what day of the week is the owner have to go onto his property to work .?

Or maybe leave and address so I can park in your back yard. toss all the trash brought in. cut some trees for a fire and just keep inside your house so you will be safe from my hunting.
I'm sorry you live in the city and own no land large enough to feed a deer it is not my problem and if I don't want hunting any more don't set the fields afire
Or the woods and what has happened in the past.

Now come by the house and ask permission to hunt will most likely tell you where the deer usually stay and maybe even help load if you got one but don't whine about the closed to you hunting areas. It's most likely your( neighbor) that caused it.

ken

 

[Redneck in training]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

We used to let people hunt on our property but changed our mind several years ago. Reason being is the behavior of some hunters. Shooting on sound in the bush, harming the deer and not bothering to find it. Some hunter shot our dog from adjacent property because it run there to check who was there. Someone was (perhaps still is) pouching on my land by bow because I was finding arrows. My wife found a stranger with gun on our land, lying that he got permission from our neighbor and mistakenly crossed the property line. Hunter came in our house before 5 AM asking for permission to hunt. Would it be reasonable expectation if someone wants to hunt to ask permission previous day at reasonable hour. So now we will be much more selective who we let hunt on our land.
I have additional question: Is it reasonable expectation that if someone harvest and animal on our land to reward us with in example few pound of sausage or steak? I know I would.
I feed the the deer in the winter and supply mineral blocks for them. They eat few acres of my beans every season. We spend several hundred dollars/year for the feed not speaking about time and effort. I think the hunters ahould recognize that.

 

[txdon]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

Redneck in training. We have the same problems here in Texas. It seems like for every decent hunter there are 10 bad ones. It is hard to encourage this sport that so many do not obey the rules and encroach on our land. I'm beginning to think an over population of wildlife is better than trespassers and animal maimers.

I do believe the good hunters are a dying breed and are being replaced by some kind of mutant.

 

[Jstpssng]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

We used to let people hunt on our property but changed our mind several years ago. Reason being is the behavior of some hunters. Shooting on sound in the bush, harming the deer and not bothering to find it. Some hunter shot our dog from adjacent property because it run there to check who was there. Someone was (perhaps still is) pouching on my land by bow because I was finding arrows. My wife found a stranger with gun on our land, lying that he got permission from our neighbor and mistakenly crossed the property line. Hunter came in our house before 5 AM asking for permission to hunt. Would it be reasonable expectation if someone wants to hunt to ask permission previous day at reasonable hour. So now we will be much more selective who we let hunt on our land.
I have additional question: Is it reasonable expectation that if someone harvest and animal on our land to reward us with in example few pound of sausage or steak? I know I would.
I feed the the deer in the winter and supply mineral blocks for them. They eat few acres of my beans every season. We spend several hundred dollars/year for the feed not speaking about time and effort. I think the hunters ahould recognize that.

Your points all sound reasonable to me.

 

[forgeblast]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

Schools around us have the first day of deer off.

 

[dave1949]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

Redneck in training. We have the same problems here in Texas. It seems like for every decent hunter there are 10 bad ones. It is hard to encourage this sport that so many do not obey the rules and encroach on our land. I'm beginning to think an over population of wildlife is better than trespassers and animal maimers.

I do believe the good hunters are a dying breed and are being replaced by some kind of mutant.

I think it all goes together with people being over-busy and stressed for time. Manners and politeness seems to be the first things that get tossed.

There's no time for the lost art of conversation wherein land owner relationships are built and maintained. If hunting time is limited, then taking a iffy shot is a chance that is more likely to be taken. No time or place to practice shooting skills. No time to become a better hunter by studying game habits outside of hunting seasons.

Much the same applies to ATV riders and road ragers I think.

 

[txdon]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

I think it all goes together with people being over-busy and stressed for time. Manners and politeness seems to be the first things that get tossed.

I do believe you are right. The hunters only have a few hours on part of the weekend and they have spent an enormous amount of money preparing for the hunt. They want to enjoy the outdoors, drink lots of beer, and bring home a trophy buck all within 10 hours.

 

[dave1949]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

I do believe you are right. The hunters only have a few hours on part of the weekend and they have spent an enormous amount of money preparing for the hunt. They want to enjoy the outdoors, drink lots of beer, and bring home a trophy buck all within 10 hours.

That sounds about right.

 

[MossRoad]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

Its interesting that Maine doesn't allow hunting on Sundays. Here in Indiana, you can hunt on Sunday, but you can't buy alcohol (except in a restaurant with a meal or a private club) on Sunday. Can you buy alcohol on Sunday in Maine? Just curious.