Saw a Coyote? on our Land

[dave1949]

I was pretty much with you up to here:
"Given that this is the land of the free, we don't need committees of do-good neighbors or enviro nazis to dictate how we should manage life on our property."

It isn't possible to manage wildlife or an ecosystem one plot at a time. Hunting rules, where states have a vested interest in the quality of the management, acknowledge that reality. Otherwise, I could shoot all the deer or moose I saw on my land at any time.

Wildlife management cannot fall into "good" animal, "bad" animal thinking and have any validity. That is simplistically overlaying human perceptions on a very complex system.

Sadly, some people do need to be dictated to for the common good. Poachers and polluters fall into that category. Care to set them 100% free on the land?

 

[westcliffe01]

Shooting coyotes is far too much work for "poachers". I'm not suggesting anarchy. Shooting coyotes that are about to do damage is 100% legal in MI and does not require a small game license. BUT that law is trumped when a township enacts a shooting prohibition and is the reason I have more coyotes in my residential subdivision than on the sheep farm. THAT stupidity needs to be ended.

 

[dave1949]

Shooting coyotes is far too much work for "poachers". I'm not suggesting anarchy. Shooting coyotes that are about to do damage is 100% legal in MI and does not require a small game license. BUT that law is trumped when a township enacts a shooting prohibition and is the reason I have more coyotes in my residential subdivision than on the sheep farm. THAT stupidity needs to be ended.

The township is likely looking at it from a risk-reward view. Unless or until the coyotes do damage that exceeds the risks of shooting in (I'm assuming) a densely populated area, it's not likely to change.

They use bow hunters in areas like that here to cull the overpopulated deer, because so many people are getting infected with Lyme Disease and the deer are stripping all the vegetation.

 

[dirt ditch]

In Boulder County Colorado last October. Man attacked by family of coyotes/Coloradoan.com

Last year at a rural farm in the county I live a coyote came into the yard while the woman who lived there was outside. The coyote took off after her and she ran into the house and called the sheriff department. When the deputy arrived the coyote had torn through the screen door and was trying to get through the main door. The deputy shot the animal. It tested positive for rabies.

If some of these folks ever saw a pack of coyotes kill their new born calf after the cow that just gave birth to it was completely worn out from trying to defend it they may think differently. I'll shoot one if given the chance, just like I'll shoot a raccoon, possum, or skunk that's around my house.

 

[rsallen]

Yo Dave, You want I should live trap a couple of coyotes from down here to transplant for ya?

They took care of the over deer population around here in short order.
I only see a bambi once and a while these days.

 

[westcliffe01]

People from within the community could be "vetted" and then essentially deputized to thin out the coyote population in their neighborhood. Obviously one would not want to use a centerfire rifle in a subdivision. But a 22lr will do the job just fine, since the suburban coyotes are "brazen" with their lack of fear of people.

City council could request permission from DNR to allow the use of suppressors for this work, so that one does not have people calling 911 with every shot. Right now, even though suppressors are legal to own, DNR has the obsolete rule on the books which prohibits their use in "taking any game animal" with coyotes classified as "small game" that means one cannot use the suppressor in proximity to livestock/suburbia where it would be most beneficial.

But, it seems this type of "common sense" measure is irrelevant in our society, its more important to pass rules that now make it a felony to cause "blight" in a neighborhood. For lowering your neighbors home value by $20k, we will now spend $150k prosecuting the guy, then $ 1 million a year to jail him. In the meantime, the bank will repossess the home, no maintenance will get done to it whatsoever, it will sell for a fraction of the neighbors home price and will then get leased out to some trash. This accomplishes a reduction in blight how ? Unanimously passed recently by the city of Detroit.

 

[TomSeller]

I liked the recounted stories with the non-fatal wolf attacks.

I don't doubt there would more US encounters in modern times if there were still wolves in their historic ranges.

Plus the coyote would be prey.

 

[dave1949]

Yo Dave, You want I should live trap a couple of coyotes from down here to transplant for ya?

They took care of the over deer population around here in short order.
I only see a bambi once and a while these days.

By "here" I meant Maine in general. I was thinking of places like Drake's Island in Wells and such. At home, here in Industry (near Farmington), I think I have fewer deer and fewer coyotes than last year.

 

[dave1949]

Plus the coyote would be prey.

Yes they would.

 

[dave1949]

People from within the community could be "vetted" and then essentially deputized to thin out the coyote population in their neighborhood. Obviously one would not want to use a centerfire rifle in a subdivision. But a 22lr will do the job just fine, since the suburban coyotes are "brazen" with their lack of fear of people.

City council could request permission from DNR to allow the use of suppressors for this work, so that one does not have people calling 911 with every shot. Right now, even though suppressors are legal to own, DNR has the obsolete rule on the books which prohibits their use in "taking any game animal" with coyotes classified as "small game" that means one cannot use the suppressor in proximity to livestock/suburbia where it would be most beneficial.

But, it seems this type of "common sense" measure is irrelevant in our society, its more important to pass rules that now make it a felony to cause "blight" in a neighborhood. For lowering your neighbors home value by $20k, we will now spend $150k prosecuting the guy, then $ 1 million a year to jail him. In the meantime, the bank will repossess the home, no maintenance will get done to it whatsoever, it will sell for a fraction of the neighbors home price and will then get leased out to some trash. This accomplishes a reduction in blight how ? Unanimously passed recently by the city of Detroit.

The bow hunters are vetted in some way, I don't recall the details. Once accepted, they attend some sort of training seminar on the do's and don'ts of the situation.

Detroit is not your usual city. Don't they have a czar manager now that can override the council? Of course, he may want to try just about anything to stop the city from crumbling completely, including making it painful to neglect or walk away from property.